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To: WildHighlander57

“So Sven asserting 0 was an NBC was wrong in this post?”

Obama’s birth record and nativity biography are irrelevant. In 1983, the U.S. Federal Government issued him a Certificate of Naturalization to become a U.S. citizen. The Federal document supersedes any document any state can produce on Obama’s birth record.

Citizenship is not held in perpetuity for individuals who move out of the country, commits acts which are deemed to have renounced their citizenship and express an intent to relinquish their U.S. Citizenship.

For example, Laurence Terrazas was born in Maryland to a U.S. Citizen mother and a Mexican National father. Terrazas was considered a U.S. Citizen and Mexican National at birth. In his early 20’s, Terrazas moved to Mexico to attend the university. University officials told him had to renounce his U.S. Citizenship and state an oath of allegiance to Mexico or he would be suspended from the univerity.

Terrazas told Mexican authorities he renounced his U.S. Citizenship and pledge his sole allegiance to Mexico. U.S. Sec of State Cyrus Vance issued Terrazas a CLN based on his renouncement and pledge to Mexican authorities. Terrazas sued and SCOTUS upheld the issuance of the CLN to Terrazas.

See Vance v. Terrazas, 444 U.S. 252 (1980), was a United States Supreme Court decision that established that a United States citizen cannot have his or her citizenship taken away unless he or she has acted with an intent to give up that citizenship. The Supreme Court overturned portions of an act of Congress which had listed various actions and had said that the performance of any of these actions could be taken as conclusive, irrebuttable proof of intent to give up U.S. citizenship. However, the Court ruled that a person’s intent to give up citizenship could be established through a standard of preponderance of evidence (i.e., more likely than not) — rejecting an argument that intent to relinquish citizenship could only be found on the basis of clear, convincing and unequivocal evidence.


138 posted on 04/02/2013 5:11:08 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“....Citizenship is not held in perpetuity for individuals who move out of the country,commits acts which are deemed to have renounced their citizenship and express an intent to relinquish their U.S. Citizenship......”

What is the minimum age a person can be, in order to do this?


145 posted on 04/02/2013 5:21:00 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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