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To: BuckeyeTexan
You and I agree on a few things. So I must ask why you take issue with individuals expressing their interpretations of the Constitution and citing evidence that they believe supports said interpretations? Why not simply dispute their evidence and leave it at that?

There are a few reasons.

One is that the claim is simply false, and I will admit that it annoys me somewhat to have people continually posting things that are false as if they are true.

My gut reaction is that it cheapens FreeRepublic to have people constantly making false Constitutional claims and posting conspiracy-theorist cr*p here.

And it seems that most conservative hosts and forums that would agree with me on that. Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh don't give birthers the time of day. National Review has officially panned the birthers, multiple times. And RedState has pretty much of a no-birthers policy.

It would be different if their arguments had any merit. But they don't.

Another reason is that they are so absolutist and adamant about their false theories. And if anyone takes the view of 99% of America, conservatives included, then that person is "an Obot," "a troll," etc.

So to some degree I think they themselves have created the opposition by being so absolutist and ugly to anyone who doesn't buy into their nonsense.

Another reason is that I don't like seeing the Constitution misrepresented, especially on a site where people claim to value the Constitution.

Another reason is I don't like seeing people led astray. Birtherism is basically sort of a con job, supported by a bunch of fallacious arguments.

Another reason is that I fully believe these people are damaging conservatism, in two ways. First, they stir up a huge pile of nonsense and divert people's energies away from things that might make a positive difference, and into arenas in which we don't have a snowflake's chance in hell of prevailing.

Second, they make conservatives look like idiots and nutjob conspiracy theorists.

The plain and simple truth is that without a ruling on Obama’s specific situation, his eligibility will always be in question with some.

Those rulings have been issued, in multiple courts, specifically regarding Obama. The courts have ruled that Obama's birth in Hawaii is all that it took to make a natural born citizen. And birthers have had absolutely zero success in appealing those court rulings. The Supreme Court has refused to hear appeals on such cases. So the rulings have been made, and there is legally no doubt. Not that there was before the specific rulings were made on Obama, because there wasn't, even then.

But still the birthers go on and on. They will never stop.

So I don't have any plans to ever stop debunking their horse manure.

But when it gets right down to it, there is only one group whose NBC status cannot be questioned: born on U.S. soil to citizen parents.

It's clear to virtually everyone in the legal profession that the born-on-US-soil-of-immigrant-parents question was settled decisively in 1898. Such people are natural born citizens and eligible to be elected President. Period.

People like Ted Cruz are MOST LIKELY also eligible. That's the general consensus, but such a candidacy would probably be litigated, and that's a case the Supreme Court most likely WOULD take.

122 posted on 04/02/2013 4:41:29 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Fine words Jeff, fine words.

Fine words followed by a lie!

the born-on-US-soil-of-immigrant-parents question was settled decisively in 1898. Such people are natural born citizens and eligible to be elected President

Mr. Wong was determined to be a citizen. You lie when you assert he was determined to be a natural born citizen.

You do what you accuse others of all while spouting high sounding rhetoric.

You are a liar.

128 posted on 04/02/2013 4:52:08 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston

“.... The courts have ruled that Obama’s birth in Hawaii is all that it took to make a natural born citizen. ....”

Sheriff Arpaio and his investigative team, including a forensic lab, has evidence that the Hawaii birth cert is a forgery.

What is your response to him, his team, and the lab?


134 posted on 04/02/2013 5:05:50 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Jeff Winston
So I don't have any plans to ever stop debunking their horse manure.

One is that the claim is simply false, and I will admit that it annoys me somewhat...

"Somewhat?" I don't pay much attention to these threads, but it seems like every time i click on one, here you are. And judging from your profile page, i think this is more than an "annoyance" for you. Just an observation. You seem to have the same obsession with this topic that you accuse others of having. I don't have a dog in this fight; in fact, i don't even know your position on this topic. It's your behavior I'm commenting on, not your opinions or viewpoints. But then again, posters who appear obsessed with an issue, whatever the issue may be, always HAVE stood out to me around here.

... they make conservatives look like idiots and nutjob conspiracy theorists.

Seriously? Go get on social media sites and look around. Most conservatives' comments nowadays indicate the opposite. They operate on a day-to-day basis under the assumption that anyone who is conservative understands that obama is in office illegally. But more importantly, most Constitution-lovers on social media seem to think that any conservative who gets all hot and bothered by other conservatives who research Constitutional law MAY not be a conservative at all.

I've actually looked for a Facebook group whose belief would match yours, but i can't find any. Maybe I'm not using the right search words. You know, a group whose name would be something like "Conservative-Birthers-R-Nutwings!" or "Conservatives Who Hate Birthers."

People like Ted Cruz are MOST LIKELY also eligible. That's the general consensus, but such a candidacy would probably be litigated, and that's a case the Supreme Court most likely WOULD take.

Why are you so certain it would be litigated?

184 posted on 04/02/2013 7:31:52 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Jeff Winston
There are a few reasons.

I've given many of those reasons myself. Whether you are correct or not, you will never convince some here to accept your arguments. Those who will listen already have. Those who won't listen aren't.

Carry on.

202 posted on 04/02/2013 8:52:29 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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