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To: jongaltsr; MarDav

On top of all jongaltsr has said the bible was written by men that had an agenda to advance a certain belief. Think of that in the context of how those that have a agenda today distort recent history in order to advance their agenda.

I will take what I believe about the Creator comes from the one source that cannot be faked and he has written himself and that is Nature. And I will keep an open mind to adjust my beliefs as we learn more details of what he has written.

Of course my belief relies on a certain amount of faith, but I know that that faith is based on the truth.

I do support the right of others to believe what ever they want as long as it doesn’t harm others.


61 posted on 04/03/2013 3:06:07 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

As to your view of God being witnessed in Nature, I couldn’t agree more. But, while you don’t believe He takes any more person interest in expressing His person, character, nature, believers of the God of the Bible do. You look for further manifestation of Him, some new revelation of Him to come forth somehow and He has done so in His Son. And here is an agenda for you, His Son has said, ”No man came come to the Father except by Me.” Now, that’s not a church talking. That’s not even a mere mortal talking. That’s the Son of God talking. I heard a person say once this: ‘There is only one sin that is not forgivable and that is the sin of denying His Son.’ God’s forgiveness for sin comes through Christ, the Son of God who bore [our] sin in His own body on the tree. Apart from Him, there is no remission of sin. Apart from Him, you die in your sin. Apart from Him all of heaven a person will ever know will be this side of eternity. With Him, this side of eternity is all the Hell a person will know.

I offer no church. I take up no offering. I expect nothing from you. I want nothing from you. I simply share with you what I have discovered, having turned my back on the religion of my parents, walked this Earth for 28 years tasting its pleasures and pain, exposing myself to its teachings and philosophies, and having come to Christ realized He IS the way, the truth, and the life.

May your continued quest for His presence lead you to the foot of His cross where you can look up and see law and grace, death and life, God and sinner all meet and One hanging there who was able to reconcile all things by the sacrifice of Himself.


63 posted on 04/03/2013 5:21:55 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Okieshooter

The excuse of believing based on “Faith” is blind obedience but if it serves you well, so be it.

I have no problems with Christian belief. The “Best” people on this planet are generally Christians so I have no problem with that fact.

I just refuse to be blinded and accept everything that the Bible says because I know human nature to well.

Did Shakespeare actually exist? Some say yes and yet nobody can point to any one writer that claimed or could prove that he was “THE” Shakespeare.


67 posted on 04/03/2013 7:12:26 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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