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Asking Yourself a Question: More 'Conservative'... or 'Libertarian'?
Reaganite Republican ^
| 19 March 2013
| Reaganite Republican
Posted on 03/19/2013 8:30:58 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
Even though I agreed with much of what Ron Paul had to say, all I could ever think is 'this isn't my guy' for president -too odd a demeanor/un-electable- not to mention foreign policy positions that were appalling to a peace-through-strength Republican like myself, particularly statements made re. Iran and Israel.
But lo-and-behold, now we have fervent offspring Rand Paul who -while libertarian in his views- apparently saw wisdom in distancing himself from his father's take re. the volatile Muddled East.. and that's when I started listening to him.
Maybe I've changed in my hawkishness too- I'd rather have not been involved in Libya at all -don't want to empower jihadists in Syria- and find it pointless to back wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that I supported all the way when we're just going to hand them over to Iran or the Taliban at the end anyway.
Sooo, looking at the handy chart I found at the Libertarian Party (who I don't advocate as viable in 2016, even Rand Paul prefers working to take-over the Republican party to a 3rd-party challenge for practical reasons) you might find it useful to see right where the lines are drawn, as well as where you yourself stand as a whole in today's turbulent political cauldron...
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I don't know how 'socially tolerant' I am, but if putting social issues on the back burner to ensure fiscal crises remain front+center from now through 2016, so be it. Note that the 'libertarian' overlap below appears to be a potentially appealing package as far as winning elections go...
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: chart; conservative; liberaltarian; libertarian; moralabsolutes; rand; socialconservatives; socialliberals
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To: muawiyah
Libertarianism does not agree that defending the innocent and helpless is a legitimate liberty interest the state should respect.
Exactly!
Because Libertarians remove the primacy of God from the equation, whereas our founders, started with the primacy of God and his laws as the foundation of how they setup the government.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:48:06 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"This is bull-bunk. It says that conservatives don't believe in personal freedom, and leaves out the fact that libertarians support sodomy and abortion." You appear to be very familiar with "bull-bunk" as we see it clearly on display here.
Number one: not all conservatives fail to support personal freedom, but some do, as you yourself stand as proof.
Number two: Libertarians do NOT "support" sodomy and abortion, any more than you do. What Libertarians DO support is keeping the government and busybodies like you out of other peoples private business.
As far as I am concerned, that's not only common sense, it's also the principled conservative position. Yours is the moralistic statist point of view - exactly as portrayed in the chart.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:49:18 AM PDT
by
John Valentine
(Deep in the Heart of Texas)
To: Reaganite Republican
Agreed.
The Big-L Libertarians lost me a few years ago on amnesty for illegals and their 'surrender monkey' tendencies post-911. But considering that victory is no longer our ultimate goal in warfare, maybe the LP was on to something regarding the latter.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:51:13 AM PDT
by
bassmaner
(Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; All
It also declares that those “on the right” have unequivocal support for the USA PATRIOT Act. That makes it worth reminding all just who it was that strengthened the provisions of that Act (the leftist Democrats), i.e. aside from the fact that it was a non-conservative that enacted it in the first place.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:51:15 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
To: Waywardson
If you are buying the flavor he is pushing, then you are ingesting RAT POISON!If by "he" you mean Rand Paul, then you statement is the dumbest thing I have read on Free Republic this week. (Of course, it's still early in the week.)
Rand Paul is my senator. I voted for him, and I'm proud of that vote. Sure, every time you see his dad, you want to yell, "Put down the foreign policy and slowly back away!" But Rand Paul is NOT his dad.
If you want to know who the Dimocraps are scared of, just look at whom they attack. They're going after Rand Paul.
(I reserve the right to change my mind after I see his stand on immigration reform.)
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:51:20 AM PDT
by
rmh47
(Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
To: Reaganite Republican
conservative= libertarian (Jeffersonian)!
Semper semper!
*****
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:51:45 AM PDT
by
gunnyg
("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
To: John Valentine
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:52:27 AM PDT
by
Linda Frances
(Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
To: Olog-hai
Yes, I know separation of church and state was in a letter that the Supreme Court used (rather than the constitution) to take God out of schools and public arena.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:54:17 AM PDT
by
Linda Frances
(Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
To: John Valentine
I suggest you pick up a bible and a biology book. There is a SUPREME GOD, who has laid down NATURAL LAWS. You libertarians think that you can ignore these two facts. You can go down as many rabbit holes as you like, but it always comes back to these two, simple facts. Ignore God and His law at your own peril.
I am dismayed that there are people these days who believe conforming to natural law is "statist."
To: trisham
Where would you differ?
I’m putting this out there primarily to see what the FReepers think
To: Uncle Miltie
“Libertarians do not believe in a Robust National Defense.”
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This would have to be disproven beyond a doubt to win my vote for Rand Paul, and I won’t vote 3rd party if I can avoid it
To: Reaganite Republican
I’m a God and Republic Conservative.
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posted on
03/19/2013 8:58:33 AM PDT
by
Little Ray
(Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
To: Rebel_Ace
I am in 100% agreement on all points, sir
To: Uncle Miltie
“Corporate Welfare is supported by the Bushies-GOPe socialist wing of the Republican party. They are not Conservative.”
Except corporate FARM welfare
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posted on
03/19/2013 9:00:01 AM PDT
by
aMorePerfectUnion
(Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
To: Linda Frances
God is up to you. I don’t want my God coming from my government.
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posted on
03/19/2013 9:00:31 AM PDT
by
Dead Corpse
(I will not comply.)
To: bassmaner
But Rand Paul is a Republican, one who’s gone out of his way to reach out to Israel and move away from full libertarian FP... before he did, I wasn’t listening to him all that much, honestly.
He knows the straight Libertarian platform isn’t electable for president, and for most of the reasons yhou mension
To: John Valentine
To: All
Liberaltarians. No use for them. They aren’t conservatives.
I have no use for Leftists who just want more of their own money.
Our Nation and our Constitution were created for a God-believing, Moral, and educated people.
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posted on
03/19/2013 9:01:56 AM PDT
by
rbmillerjr
(We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Ignore God and His law at your own peril. It will do you no good at all to thump your Bible at me. I've already been Bible thumped by the best of them.
BTW, conforming to natural law is natural and self enforcing, and does not require the intervention of anyone, let alone the Leviathan.
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posted on
03/19/2013 9:02:20 AM PDT
by
John Valentine
(Deep in the Heart of Texas)
To: Reaganite Republican
But Rand Paul is a Republican, one whos gone out of his way to reach out to Israel and move away from full libertarian FP... before he did, I wasnt listening to him all that much, honestly.
And yet here is Rand Paul advocating for Amnesty, one of the more onerous of the Libertarian positions.
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posted on
03/19/2013 9:02:46 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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