Posted on 03/19/2013 8:30:58 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
Libertarian Party? No. Isolationist foreign policy will lead to our demise.
Republican Party? No. Run by big-government, establishment, status-quo, cocktail-party crowd who care more about getting re-elected than they do about our country.
Conservative Party? No. I really don’t give a hoot what gays do. And the 2nd amendment doesn’t give me the right to own a tank, or a shoulder-fired missile that can bring down a 747.
Constitutionalist Party? Yes.
I suggest you read 1 Corinthians while thinking about the effect things like heroin or LSD can have on your body.
Just out of curiousity, what has lead you to that conclusion?
I found this at
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/marxism-of-the-right/
Libertarians are also naïve about the range and perversity of human desires they propose to unleash. They can imagine nothing more threatening than a bit of Sunday-afternoon sadomasochism, followed by some recreational drug use and work on Monday. They assume that if people are given freedom, they will gravitate towards essentially bourgeois lives, but this takes for granted things like the deferral of gratification that were pounded into them as children without their being free to refuse. They forget that for much of the population, preaching maximum freedom merely results in drunkenness, drugs, failure to hold a job, and pregnancy out of wedlock. Society is dependent upon inculcated self-restraint if it is not to slide into barbarism, and libertarians attack this self-restraint. Ironically, this often results in internal restraints being replaced by the external restraints of police and prison, resulting in less freedom, not more.
This contempt for self-restraint is emblematic of a deeper problem: libertarianism has a lot to say about freedom but little about learning to handle it. Freedom without judgment is dangerous at best, useless at worst. Yet libertarianism is philosophically incapable of evolving a theory of how to use freedom well because of its root dogma that all free choices are equal, which it cannot abandon except at the cost of admitting that there are other goods than freedom. Conservatives should know better. _______________________________________________________
Libertarians want to give people freedom to do anything. All societies need restraints or you will have anarchy.
Libertarians oppose laws against murder, theft, and rape?
Repeat after me, “libertarian does not equate to libertine”.
Keep repeating until it sinks in.
Libertarian does no equate to libertine?
Boundaries? Where they always are.
If it’s human, kill it is by definition murder. An unborn child is human. lfl.org
A child is not an adult. Until they have reached the age of maturity/majority, their Rights are held in trust by their parent/guardian.
As such, they cannot give consent to adult behaviors. Pedophilia is the worst kind of rape and should carry the death penalty... Preferably at the hands of their intended victim at the point of offense.
This goes equally true for those who via injury or mental defect are not able to advocate for their own Rights.
As for “Acts of capitalism between consenting adults”... Unless you are being directly harmed by such things, it isn’t any of your business. Let the degenerates die in the gutter as a warning to others. No welfare, no freebies.
Thank you for asking.
Excellent question - I thought someone might ask. You are correct - nothing in the constitution prevents that. Just as nothing in the constitution prevents someone form yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.
Thanks for setting me straight.
I suggest you read 1 Corinthians while thinking about the effect things like heroin or LSD can have on your body.
Ah, you must mean 6:12: "All things are lawful to me". ;-D
I suppose you have in mind 2:16-17: "Know you not, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? But if any man violate the temple of God, him shall God destroy. For the temple of God is holy, which you are." Certainly one ought not use any substance to the degree that it violates one's body - including alcohol. But alcohol and other drugs can be and are used short of that degree - so this passage at most supports regulation to discourage overuse, well short of a total ban.
Take a good look at what you said.
Libertarians oppose laws against murder, theft, and rape?
Okay.
So we agree that libertarianism is not anarchy.
Tell me where the boundaries on abortion is?
Abortion is murder, although some (not all) libertarians fail to recognize that.
Boundaries on sexual practices and expression?
Consenting adults behind closed doors.
Boundaries on age limits on children in respect to drugs, sex, abortion?
Children are not adults, and their immature reason and judgment bar them from full exercise of natural human rights - although the latest LP platform appears to have lost sight of that.
Number one: not all conservatives fail to support personal freedom, but some do, as you yourself stand as proof.
Number two: Libertarians do NOT "support" sodomy and abortion, any more than you do. What Libertarians DO support is keeping the government and busybodies like you out of other peoples private business.
As far as I am concerned, that's not only common sense, it's also the principled conservative position. Yours is the moralistic statist point of view - exactly as portrayed in the chart.
libertarians actually view any attempts to defend the weak and helpless as a violation of the rights of the evil and powerful.
i think you just said that.
I think you need to put down the crack pipe - he said nothing remotely like that.
In the libertarian view, government's main job is to protect the rights of the weak and innocent. Parents cannot kill their children whether born or not.
Ron Paul: “Age of Consent to be reduced to 12”!
Ron Paul’s Libertarian manifesto of reducing the Age of Consent to 12 (as it was in 1923, and as it currently is in Spain), allowing motorcyclists to again ride without helmets as it used to be before 1970, allowing people the choice whether on not to wear safety belts in automobiles, permiiting sale of Raw Milk, dismantling the Federal Reserve Bank, no giving Egypt or Israel $1 in aid etc etc has our full support in Israel!
Harry Browne, the former Libertarian party presidential candidate for the years of 1996 & 2000, writes in his book “The Great Libertarian Offer”:
It may be hard to believe today, but early in the 20th century a 10-year-old girl could walk into a drug store and buy a bottle of whiskey or a packet of heroin.
Libertarian Platform
... PREAMBLE As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives ... human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual ...
Staff - 12/17/2012 - 2:07pm
http://www.lp.org/search/node/age%20of%20consent
Can you provide any reason for anyone to accept your claim about libertarians - or are we supposed to blindly take your say-so on it?
No, I do not. Please let there be no confusion on that point. But, neither do I think YOU are God, and neither do I think that you have any special standing to lecture me on any point of religion or faith.
I think you exhibit an extraordinary degree of gall to assume that you know anything whatsoever about what I think or believe or do, other than that which I have explicitly revealed to you.
Do you believe yourself to be omniscient?
Your intemperate statement accusing me of thinking I can "bugger and abort and drug and fornicate" ignoring natural law, reveals far more abut you than it does about me.
So, when it comes to projection... I have to say, you're the one with the experience.
Neither Paul nor the LP speak for all libertarians, any more than Mitt Romney or the Republican Party speak for all those who support a republican form of government.
allowing motorcyclists to again ride without helmets as it used to be before 1970, allowing people the choice whether on not to wear safety belts in automobiles, permiiting sale of Raw Milk,
Treating adults like adults - shocking!
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