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To: Georgia Girl 2

“The 14th ammendment had nothing to do with the natural born citizen definition. It was soley aimed at defining all of the former slaves as citizens.”

Incorrect. It had everything to do with the natural born definition. It provided citizenship not just to the slaves, but to everyone who had been born outside America, in territory that had just become American (in Guadaloupe Hildago or in the Louisiana Purchase, to the Native Americans, etc.

The 14th made all of these groups and established the principle for the first time that all those who were born in America were considered to be citizens.


561 posted on 03/09/2013 4:11:56 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

The 14th Ammendment as I stated before was passed during reconstruction and its main emphasis was to include former slaves and people who had been in territories that were now part of the uS etc. It deliberately does not address “natural born citizen” as this is a separate issue and is specifically applicable to holding the office of the President of the United States. The 14th ammendment had nothing to do with that.


573 posted on 03/09/2013 4:24:47 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Incorrect. It had everything to do with the natural born definition.

Then why did it not say so? Were they afraid of using too much ink by adding the words "Natural born" to the word "Citizen"?

Same thing with Wong Kim Ark. Was it just too much effort to write two more words "natural born" next to the word "citizen"?

You can either believe that they left out the words "natural born" in both the 14th amendment and the Wong Kim Ark decision because they were lazy or stupid, or perhaps because they INTENDED THAT THOSE WORDS NOT BE IN THERE!!!!!!

Add to that the Waite Court in Minor v Happersett saying explicitly that "The constitution does not say, in words, who shall be natural born citizens" all the while discussing the 14th amendment, and perhaps the picture starts to come into focus?

Apparently the 1875 Waite court couldn't find "natural born" in the 14th amendment anywhere. I'm surprised others can.

615 posted on 03/09/2013 5:36:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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