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To: Mr Rogers
No. She could have been naturalized, and the result would have been the same - no right to vote. She could have been what birthers call a 14th Amendment citizen - a distinction no court makes - but the result of the case would have been identical - no right to vote.

She DID argue she was 14th amendment citizen. It's why the Minor court defined NBC and specifically said the 14th amendment did NOT confer citizenship on her by birth. You keep defeating your own argument. Again, YOU CANNOT GET AROUND THIS. Why would the court say ANYTHING about her having citizen parents?? Unlike the WKA court, the Minor decision was very effecient, while everything it discussed had direct bearing on the case and situation.

In this case, she also met the narrowest possible definition of NBC, so the court didn’t go any further to examine the limits - as it expressly stated in the opinion.

She met the ONLY definition of NBC. There's no "narrowest" about. The Minor court discussed every other way someone can become a citizen, but it exclusively characterized children born of citizens as NBCs. Again, there's NO WAY AROUND THIS.

The outcome would have been identical as long as she met ANY possible definition of citizenship, and thus it was not a case about citizenship, but voting rights.

Sorry, but it was about meeting ANY possible definition of citizenship, then they didn't need to reject her 14th amendment citizenship argument. Again, THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THIS.

I’ve never met a birther who claimed citizen parents were required to be born a citizen. Do you now make that claim?

Nobody cares who you think you've met and what these imaginary people have or haven't claimed. YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THIS. All children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. These are the natural-born citizens.

1,555 posted on 03/17/2013 2:15:18 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
"YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THIS. All children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. These are the natural-born citizens."

Yes, they are NBC. But they are not the only NBCs, as WKA makes clear. That is why WKA spent 2 sections, almost half the decision, rejecting the argument made by the government that WKA was not a NBC.

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

That is why they approvingly quoted Lynch, which determined, ""No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not...

...Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen."

1,557 posted on 03/17/2013 6:21:27 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: edge919

“Sorry, but it was about meeting ANY possible definition of citizenship, then they didn’t need to reject her 14th amendment citizenship argument. Again, THERE’S NO WAY AROUND THIS.”

Incorrect. She made it a point, and the court answered - with laughter, if you read between the lines. The court called her an idiot. Politely, but that is what they were saying - that the idea that the 14th made her a citizen was crazy.

They then went on to point out that no matter what the source of citizenship, it did not matter - she did not have a right to vote as an NBC, not as some mythical 14th Amendment citizen (a category that Minor rejected), and not as a naturalized citizen. It simply did not matter - citizenship does not give the right to vote.


1,558 posted on 03/17/2013 6:24:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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