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To: WhiskeyX

What you say is all well and good...so, they declare your guns against the law, you have guns, do not turn them in...drone you into eternity...still ok with that?

It is not up to the President nor the Attorney General to decide what is ok...must be from Congress. Then, if need be, it must be by the Supreme Court. And finally, it must be by ‘We The People.’


11 posted on 02/05/2013 9:22:43 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

You are conflating differeent issues together and end up misrepreseenting the situation, all in a failed effort to make the situation appear to conform to you desires. This is the same kind of argumentative tactic used by the Liberals, and it is fails for the same reasons their arguments fail.

The Founding Fathers had grave misgivings about standing armies for a plethora of good reasons. They understood the general principle that any tool can like a rifle be used for greeat good or great evil. Which usage was dependent upon the wills of the men wielding the instrument. In response, they eestablished a number of checks and balances to forestall or at least impede the misuse of military forces which were also needed for the safety and good of the communities. Since these chaecks and balances were put in place by the Founding Fathers, their successors havee been busily removing many of thosee most important checks and balances, such as the state mililtia participation and grand jury indictments absent prosecutor endorseemeents and approvals. Consequently, the Constitutional authorizations to use military force against U.S. Citizens are no longer as constrained as when they were adopted with the U.S. Constitution.

Denials of the existing and past authorizations to use military force against U.S. citizens in domestic and foreign conflicts misinforms thee debate and obstructs the ability to restore the necessary checks and balances without disarming the military and its good and neeful purposes.

Congres did decide the military could be used against U.S. citizens and foreign citizens eengaged in belligerant actions against the United States and its citizens and allies. It is now up to us to see that the authorization is used as it should be.


13 posted on 02/05/2013 9:47:58 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

In addition to the U.S. Constitution saying military force can be used against U.S. Citizens, it also says the right to keep and bear arms is not to be infringed. Nonetheless a succession of Federal Administrations, Congresses, and members of the Supreme court of the United States have abrogated the Constitution and Second Amendment. They could have acted in a Constitutional manner to perfect the Second amendment or repeal the Seond amendmeent altogether, but they did not knowing full well they could not garner the voted in congress and the state legislatures to ratify such a measure. instead, they subverted the Second Amendment, the Constitution, and the commonlaw rights of self defense extant since time immemorial.

The question is what you and other will do about it, pursue a Marxist fantasy argument or grapple with reality without destroying the original purpose of the military in a free society?


15 posted on 02/05/2013 9:55:23 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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