Posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Sheriff Joe Arpaio's lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo appeared on Carl Gallups' radio show Freedom Friday. Zullo repeated that the Obama investigation never stopped and that the only thing that stopped is the media coverage around the investigation....
Zullo says; "We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt--the higher standard--beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery."
Zullo also says; "the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."
You are sadly mistaken if you think that all conservatives are birthers and that only “Leftist trolls” believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. Maybe in your insular world, but not in the world I live in. My father thinks Fox News is the only reason a person needs to watch TV. He’s NEVER voted for a Democrat. But he believes that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Personally, I find the birther issue interesting, but ultimately a distraction from the real issues facing this country. That’s my own personal belief. I’m not asking you to believe it too.
You’re a transparent flim flam troll. When I looked you had about 10 comments since signup date this summer, all except one or two dissing the non-eligibility issue.
I assume you’re a re-tread, too.
TOL - check it’s posting history. Just for the record.
Again, I am not a birther and I don’t pretend to be.
I find the subject fascinating and I especially enjoy reading Butterdezillion’s analyses. She puts so much time and thought into what she writes. I may not agree with her conclusions, but I’m certainly more than willing to consider what she says.
You’re right, I don’t post on other issues. There are already lots of folks posting on those articles so that I don’t feel inclined to add my two cents. And, if I agree with what’s already being said, why just add a “me too” to the comments? Well, apparently, that’s all YOU would like to see, a bunch of yes-men.
I started posting on this thread because I am fed up with folks like Zullo stringing people along. Obama has already run for election and WON! If Zullo had something, why the heck didn’t he reveal it four months ago when it might have made a difference??? At this point, it’s too little, too late.
Since both of these black-robed bumkissers, and the rest of their lackadaisical squad refuse to hoist their hindquarters to accept any any of the appeals that have come their way, looks like you-know-who is here to stay. Poor Joe has got the goods, but no prosecutor to go to for a warrant. He can't even arrest Barry in Maricopa County!
The Women, The African-Americans, The LGBTG crowd, The Mexicans, The Children, and the usual suspect left-wing components of urban society wanted a gay Kenyan as POTUS. That apparently makes him as legit as he needs to be.
No surprise. That mob in the Holy Land chose Bar Abbas over Jesus, didn't they?
Look at it this way. A red light camera catches a guy speeding through a red light, killing a pedestrian, and then later that night the same guy is on surveillance cams holding up a 7-11.
OK, they arrest the suspect. County prosecutor won't issue a warrant, won't charge him, won't even ask the judge for a search warrant of the known perpetrator's residence. What, exactly can a sheriff do? Issue a summons? DA throws it out. Trial judge throws it out.
Sheriff Joe has enough evidence, what he doesn't have is the back-up of the normal criminal prosecution process. He's the Sheriff. Not the DA/Prosecutor, and certainly not the Judge.
Yeah, you’re really “concerned” all right. Troll. I vote retread.
“if election fraud and felony forgery can be shown, he will be impeached”.....who is talkin’ about election fraud? I haven’t heard a peep, and I’ve been listenin’
The R party is voluntarily neutered. They say nuttin’ about nuttin’.
Sorry, but this is stupid point. Obama wasn't required to ask for judicial notice of third-parties who claim (with no expertise or authority) that his birth certificate is "real." Under the rules of evidence however, any kind of claim that would be supported by available certified legal documentation has to be invalidated unless that documentation is presented to back up the claim.
There have been three times in which Hawaii has made official verifications of the information on the birth certificate.
None of those three rise to standards of the Federal Rules of Evidence in certifying the document as CORRECT.
I haven’t looked up the ones issued to the secretaries of state, but the one issued for the Mississippi case is pretty clear in stating that the information on record with the State of Hawaii matches the information contained on the copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate which appears on the internet.
It doesn't mean anything if the information is not certified as correct. That's how the law is written. A counterfeit dollar bill is going to have information that matches a real dollar bill, but stating the information "matches" does not mean the dollar bill is real.
Also, you're trying to play this two ways. The MDEC was not "required" submit a letter of verification from the state of Hawaii, but they did. But they shouldn't have to ask for a letter of verification to begin with because their buddy and co-defendant Obama should have a spare copy of his alleged certified hard copy of his B/C. He claimed to have obtained TWO copies in April 2011. That's what the extra copy was for, wasn't it?? To submit in court where it has been challenged. Why did he need two if he's not going to use EITHER??
So yes, if Obama is ever REQUIRED by a court to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, I believe he will do so.
You still haven't explained why you have such an irrational belief. Have you not seen Obama go out of his way to avoid presenting this document in court?? You're like Charlie Brown expecting Obama to actually hold the football for you to kick.
I am not a lawyer and don’t know the rules of evidence, but I’m sure that there are procedures in place so that all parties are satisfied that an original certified copy from the state is the item submitted into evidence.
You don't have to be a lawyer. Google the terms "self-authenticating Federal Rules of Evidence." It's Rule 902. The law is not hard to read or understand. This rule is why the objections board in Kansas did not accept Obama's jpgs and PDFs on his website or the previous letters of verification in Miss. and Ariz. Of course the letter they got still didn't comply with the Rules of Evidence, but they lucked out because the challenge was dropped due to harrassment.
that would be the crime they committed.
pushing the inspector generals office to compel the supervisor of elections to collect the information required by law...
if they don’t then the supervisor has committed the crime
Because of harassment, Obama goes unchallenged?
Dim memories from the past:
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered...” Thomas Paine
Nathan Hale’s last words: “I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country.”
there was a report that voting machines were seized in Maryland. Then, nuttin’ else.
i spoke with a dept of state lawyer that was a bit pissy... seems i’ve spoken with 5 different people over the passed few weeks and no one person is allowed to ‘dominate’ the resources of the office (i do 80-100 hrs/wk... a 15 min call doesn’t ‘dominate’ my week)
seems they’ve circled the wagons and candidates have no real documentation to file (a form, say/sign an oath attesting to eligibility, and pay a fee).
supposedly other agencies determine if the candidate is eligible (he rattled a list very fast... social security, irs, homeland security, and something about voter registration)
it would be nice to know exactly who does the verification of candidates... as it would be interesting to hear how they could have verified forged documents.
actually, i just spoke w/ McCain’s office to see where he had to submit his information when he was running. they didn’t know and referred me to the RNC. i was able to reach a guy that was on his campaign staff and he said they didn’t have to turn over any such documentation (i found a wiki article that stated a senior staffer showed a wapo reporter)
he further stated that the RNC has decided to avoid any fight on the birth certificate as any cases brought are going nowhere (i pointed out how they’re never heard, just dismissed to avoid submitting into evidence any forged paperwork).
the RNC will continue to fight ‘on the issues’ (not going to work... as more ppl lose their jobs, more ppl will vote for govt support... ie: democrats).
so... it’s a loss.
no state agency or dept cares.
no federal dept or agency.
no judicial agency.
no one except a few crusty old Constitutional freepers
pretty much at the end of the line.
the Constitution is in breech...
it’s all down hill from here.
The R party are all either complicit or cowards. They don’t give a rip. They’re self serving bastards. They’re letting the country go to hell hoping to save their own personal skins and wealth. It’s called appeasement. They’re utterly loathesome and they deserve to lose, as they have already. Lose becaues they exhibit no moral courage or pesronal or constitutional principles.
If that changes, they’ll will (bar massive election fraud; another issue they wilfully ignore).
Hey n00bie, there were hundreds of leftist SRM moles that went to Alaska in 2008 trying to dig up dirt on Gov Palin, but we STILL don't have a clue of where 0 bummer was born, his college records, his personal background, - on and on. You can post anything you want, but if it is not real, I don't care.
I have a birth certificate that has my footprint and my mother's thumb print from ST Johns Hospital in Taylor Texas. I don't think 0 bummer could ever produce one close to that if forced to do so and that really bothers me.
Sorry, but this is an oversimplification.
Dim memories from the past:
Dim seems an appropriate description. The Hale quote is really out of context because we're not talking about "one life."
If Zullo believes so strongly in his, and Arpaio’s evidence and really wants to get this out publicly and at a judicial level he would be willing to help Orly Taize in her upcoming USSC hearing she has scheduled with Roberts supposedly presenting her case/charges. I know many people poo-poo Tatz but at least she is biting at the butt of Obama and not just bemoaning that he is a usurper.
Wow, this is like birther whack-a-mole. May I appeal or is there threat of sanction?
Taitz’s appeal is not being “heard.” There is no SCOTUS hearing on Feb 15. IMO, there will only be a cursory routine distribution at conference of her appeal followed almost certainly with no action and no comment thus leaving the lower court dismissal in place.
Taitz is relentless, but relentlessly incompetent and persistently confused about the difference between criminal and civil law in her filings. Neither she nor her financial backers seem to care, for some reason (delusional or tactical).
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