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To: Ladysforest
Sooooooooo, post your proof. I’m sure it will be interesting. And irrefutable. And all that. Did you post it previously?

I'm pretty sure I did, but we don't have to look for an old post. I said these reports are online, so here's one that specifically talks about how persons are classified as Negroes when they are foreign-born, which would not be allowed for under the coding procedures in your manual.

See the 25th and 29th pages of the PDF in this report from 1960.

This is a CDC report and it references racial classifications as cited from the 1960 VSIM with NO instruction on using the foreign birth place of a Negro father to classify race as "other nonwhite" and the second page gives a table listing classification of foreign-born and Negro together. Again, this would be not possible under the instructions in the alleged manual you posted.

Again, the federal codes in 1961 are completely irrelevant to the state codes applied at the local level. Hence - the nativity reports compiled from the info coded at the federal level STILL would be irrelevant to the local coding - which is the point that I was making.

We don't know that the Federal codes are irrelevant to state codes. In the link I just provided, the footnote about the 1960 VSIM references in parentheses "State and NOVS coding" ... NOVS stands for National Office of Vital Statistics.

If YOU have proof that the data compiled after the revised 1961 VSIM invalidates the summaries, by all means do an article about that - it should be very fascinating. I am certain that we should all enjoy reading it.

I don't need to "do an article." I just gave you a report that explains how these things worked prior to your "revised in August" VSIM.

Only “drama queen” would be you.

That’s why you make us laugh.

What "us"?? No one is else is defending you.p

353 posted on 02/03/2013 11:45:10 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

No one else is still reading the thread. Well except for you.

You can’t seem to get the notion through your head that I did not make ANY claims about the 1961 - not 1960 -the 1961 revised VSIM, having anything to do with ANYTHING other than regarding obamas birth certificate.

That relationship was born from Corsi via The Daily Pen code chart, and Corsi had Zullo publicly make statements as “facts” when there was nothing to support those “facts”.

Your 1960 report doesn’t even factor into anything I worked on. At all, or in any way. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Why do you keep inserting a 1960 manual into the conversation?

Read carefully: I searched for the VSIM because of the growing controversy about whether the code chart shown on the screen at Zullos presser was in fact from the 1961 fed. VSIM. All of the little side arguments were/are stupid distractions.

Zullo had stated as a fact that the code chart he was showing was the one used to determine which code numbers WENT ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

We found out that was not true.

The FEDERAL code chart, the FEDERAL manuals, and the FEDERAL reports have zero, zip, nada, relationship to the code numbers that were ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

That was the information that I was after. Even Zullo admitted that he had not wanted to use Corsi’s scripting about those codes because he felt the evidence to support that was too weak.

You keep trying to imply that I was misrepresenting something. It’s weird this thing you are doing.

I looked for that 61 VSIM because of the chart controversy and the obots claiming that Zullo knowingly lied - Dr. Conspiracy also claimed that he was told no 61 VSIM existed. One had to have existed so I asked around and was directed to the CDC. No big mystery. Dr. Consp. DID have a 68 VSIM which had a chart just like the one used on The Daily Pen - which was the one used in Corsi’s presentation given by Zullo.

What my research did: 1)simply proved that those penciled codes were not applied from a federal VSIM. 2)The federal manual was not used to determine the race of the PARENTS. 3)That some states used a state specific code manual at the local levels and applied the penciled codes at the local offices prior to the birth certificates being microfilmed. 4)There was A 61 VSIM still in existence,revised or otherwise. 5) The chart shown at the Corsi/Zullo presser was almost certainly from a 68 VSIM. 6) That the 1961 federal VSIM was completely irrelevant in regards to THE PENCILED CODES ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

That was the information I was after. There, do you understand it now? Corsi pushed the meme that the parents race was determined by the fed code books, but it wasn’t, so the fed codes didn’t matter on that point. The fed books explained how to code the childs race by the information contained in the race fields on the birth certificates. Did the reports have ANY data on the parents business? No.


354 posted on 02/04/2013 9:08:51 AM PST by Ladysforest
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