Posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:01 AM PST by Mozilla
Glenn Beck spent the first fifteen minutes of his radio show today discrediting rival conservative host Alex Jones after his epic showdown last night with Piers Morgan.
Beck explains, Piers Morgan is trying to have gun control. He is trying to make everybody who has guns and who believes in the Second Amendment to be a deterrent to an out of control government look like a madman. So now he immediately books the madman and makes him look like a conservative. Hes not a conservative.
Of course, Beck didnt save all of his animosity for Jones, happily dishing it out to Morgan as well. After calling them two of the most dishonest journalists of our age, he went on to explain why his listeners shouldnt trust either one of them.
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Of course Buckley liked Rush and years later Fox News from the start, just like we readers of National Review did.
Conservatives, Buckley fans, watchers of Firing line, and readers of National Review liked Rush and Fox from the start, that is why you can only keep repeating yourself and aren’t posting any facts.
Beck is a huckster who went national more than a decade ago and will always be seen as bizarre and unstable, and as a hustler.
Brother David was also surprised that his brother was so much less serious on air than he was in person. And there are conservatives still who regard Rush as a mere entertainer -- not recognizing that he is better described as a shrewd (and entertaining) conservative political analyst and commentator.
Early on, Rush had commercial missteps, like the sucking sound, followed by a distant scream, that he used to abort callers he disliked, and the requirement that women callers have their picture on file with the show. Complaints from affiliates ended both practices.
And, to state the obvious, Limbaugh, Fox News, and Beck are all obsessed about finding and keeping the attention and loyalty of their audience. They all hustle for ratings. Beck even describes himself as a radio clown.
I have been listening to Rush since his third day of going national and you are full of it about conservatives and Rush and Fox news.
You just seem out of touch, and want to insist that you are somehow representative of we conservatives, which is a joke, you don't even seem to like us judging by your ramblings and bizarre claims that we were too snooty for Rush and Fox News, until we found out that Buckley liked them, and although they were 8 years apart.
Just as Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd
According to you, first we of the National Review crowd had to be told that it was OK to become one of Rush's 22 million listeners, and then 8 years later, after eight years of Rush and the 1994 Gingrich revolution, we then needed to told that it was OK to watch Fox news.
Alhough I prefer Limbaugh to Beck and have Fox News on most of the time, individual tastes vary and there are also generational differences.
Last election season, I worked for several weeks with a well-respected, long-established conservative political media consultant of more than four decades experience. He dislikes Fox News though as too repetetive and superficial.
Another, much younger conservative political consultant I also worked with last election season wore flip flops, had a visible tat on his upper arm, and played rap music while he worked -- but tuned to Beck's show when it came on.
So, back to my essential point: Beck has an audience that adds to conservative strength.
"Before Limbaugh, national commercial talk radio was the province of ostensibly nonpolitical professional talkers like Larry King."
So for almost a decade, conservatives had to wait for Buckley's approval before we could get our noses out of the air and accept Rush in 1988, or Fox News in 1996?
What a load, and Beck has been around for more than 10 years, the man is a gadfly hustler.
You don't seem to know much about it, and you don't know anything about Larry King, since you don't realize that he was a liberal talk show host on radio, not "nonpolitical".
You seem to think that by just continuing saying it, that you can create a false history, and even change what your original claims were.
Rush EXPLODED onto the scene, and conservatives INSTANTLY showed up by the millions, we didn't even know such audience numbers existed at the time.
Conservatives were never resistant to Fox News, ever.
I think you are just out of touch.
Aside from shifting your Fox claims to today instead of 1996, you seem to not know that tattoos, and long hair, and beer and guns and trailer houses, and military service and blue collar work, or whatever else you seem to not associate with conservatives, is actually very common with conservatives.
Are you a New York lawyer or some such thing?
Out of touch? Guilty; and I am a lawyer and political consultant, in Florida. But, to make the obvious point, I think that, compared to the population at large, tats and long hair are relatively uncommon among National Review subscribers.
Now we are back to purely National Review subscribers.
The ones that you claim had to wait for Buckley to reveal that he was a fan of the Rush Limbaugh show before they would listen to the conservative talk show themselves, and then many years later had to wait for Buckley approval again, before they would watch a conservative alternative of CNN.
Well I have been reading National Review, probably longer than you unless you started in the 1960s also.
As a long time NR subscriber before they endorsed Romney in 2007, I just recently donated my hair to cancer patients.
I don’t know if you realize how diverse the conservative world is , and how diverse Buckley’s audience was, or how wrong you are about conservative reactions to Rush Limbaugh and Fox news.
As it happens, I may well have subscribed to National Review before you did.
Conservatives instantly flocked to Rush by the millions, creating radio numbers that we could not have imagined when the liberal “King “ of radio was measuring his number one show by the hundreds of thousands.
Conservatives also instantly flocked to Fox News, the first conservative news station, I don't know what dilettantes and out of touch elitists did, you tell us that they would only listen, or watch what Bill Buckley approved of. You sound like one of those liberals who seem to be speaking about a foreign people when they mention conservatives.
Your attributions go far beyond what I wrote. The essential point is that because Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and conservative talk radio were new, they took time to gain affiliates, find and grow their national audiences by getting conservatives to tune them in, and then capture ad revenues commensurate with the size of their audiences. That is how the media business works.
No they don’t.
“”Just as Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd, so also have other conservative personalities and venues attracted disparagement at first.””
No they didn’t, conservatives were giddy with joy from the first moment of these two different conservative breakthroughs, they weren’t waiting for Bill Buckley to approve them, 8 years apart.
“”When Limbaugh began his national program, his manner was often criticized as jarring and brash, and his venue — talk radio — was new and decidedly declasse for the National Review readership and Buckley fans.””
No it wasn’t, we loved him and were happy that conservatism had a national voice.
“”Longtime conservatives (including myself) were accustomed to Firing Line, with its dignified discussions, Buckley’s mid-Atlantic accent, and a Bach intro; and we regarded NR’s high editorial standards, Buckley’s love of obscure words and rambling sentences, and the approving references and discussions of classical music in NR as part of the conservative idiom.””
No we weren’t, and God knows that we in general were not as prissy as you describe, you must hang around some real weak sister types. Your world sounds like the place rinos breed.
“”The potency of Limbaugh and talk radio was not apparent at the start.””
It swept the nation, it was an instant phenomena among conservatives.
“”You miss my point. My friends, as Jewish lawyers, are of a demographic that is not normally conservative Republican. Yet they find Beck a more appealing personality than Limbaugh, and they find Becks teaching efforts helpful in raising their teen daughters to be conservatives. To me, that was an example of why Beack has the audience that he does.””
Your problem seems to be that you want to force reality to reflect your personal little world, you seem to have been a Johnny come lately to Rush, and later to Fox news, and want to insist that all conservatives were and that it was because they had good taste and were too refined for talk radio and a conservative cable news station, until Buckley told them it was OK to rub shoulders with the masses.
Then you you want to push the huckster Beck and pretend that he hasn’t already been around for more than a decade.
It might have to do with Beck not being truly conservative, and more liberal on social issues.
The reality is that we National Review readers, conservatives, Firing Line fans, and Buckley fans, all loved Rush from the beginning, and while I couldn't watch Fox News on TV, my understanding and reading of the time tells me that they loved it when it appeared in 1996, eight years after Rush exploded on the scene. You should have just spoken for yourself rather than people that you can't speak for, when did Buckley give you permission to listen to Beck by the way?
Beck is a big embarrassment to many conservatives.
At least you are definitive and comprehensive: that “all” conservatives loved Rush from the beginning. Yet, as I pointed out, Rush has described his own staunchly conservative father as puzzled at how his son’s radio show could be successsful, with all the humor and the lack of a serious tone.
Do you have the quotes for implying that Rush’s father shared your strange elitist views of Rush Limbaugh’s show, and that it was too low brow for him until Buckley publicly approved it, did Rush’s father also do that for Fox News?
We were all amazed, and pleased, and enthralled at Rush’s creation and his immediate, overwhelming success at it, remember that until Rush we thought that the liberal “King of Radio” Larry King (the guy you thought was “non-political”) was as big as it could get, all conservatives were amazed at Rush’s success, and at learning that a talk radio show audience could be measured by the tens of millions instead of the hundreds of thousands.
Now you trumpet a buffoonish conman called Beck, who is in his 11th year , and who is an embarrassment to many conservatives, and who isn’t even a conservative, he calls himself libertarian, is that what this is all about? Rush not being libertarian, and Fox firing Beck?
I heard Limbaugh, on the radio, describe his father’s view of his show, and the same description has appeared in print.
Do you have the quotes for implying that Rushs father shared your strange elitist views of Rush Limbaughs show, and that it was too low brow for him until Buckley publicly approved it, did Rushs father also do that for Fox News?
Limbaugh's father "questioned why Rush had to use so much comic material. He failed to grasp that it was the humorous coating of conservative views that had placed his son before a national audience in the first place. He didn't get it. He was too serious a man to see immediately that hios own closely held opinions and the insights shared night after night across the kitchen table were now echoed loudly and more widely by a far-from-serious, conservative wise guy." (at page 104).
The same book describes Limbaugh's struggles to get national syndication launched and, along with his business allies, to grow his affiliate network, along with misteps and reverses along the way. Give it a look.
I haven’t been distorting your comments, I have been quoting you.
You just want to change what you claimed, claims that you can’t support about Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, and National Review readers and fans of Buckley, even your revealing claim of Larry King as a non-political radio host.
Do you have the quotes for implying that Rushs father shared your strange elitist views of Rush Limbaughs show, and that it was too low brow for him until Buckley publicly approved it, did Rushs father also do that for Fox News?
These were the things that you claimed about those of us who read National Review at the time, and that liked Firing Line, and Bill Buckley?
You were making that up to cover for Glenn Beck, who has been national for more than a decade, and who largely embarrasses conservatives.
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