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To: bluecat6; butterdezillion; palmer

Ok, just trying to establish your knowledge. Earlier you wrote:

“Seals that are slightly raised and embossed. These are made specifically NOT to copy or scan.”

Would that explain why the seals don’t show up on scans of Obama’s short form and long form?

“Voidsecure pattern. This pattern is in the document and only shows up clearly when the document is photocopied.”

Does that explain why the AP copy of Obama’s LFBC does not show the basketweave pattern? Granted the words “void” don’t show up (like in Romney’s) but the green background is gone (except along the left edge of the original BC image, where it curved).

“Watermarks. Watermarks built into the paper and only show when held to the light at at an angle.”

Any evidence that Obama’s doesn’t have watermarks?

“Micro printing. Common in checks.”

Is there microtype hidden in the border of the Hawaii short form BCs?

Do you know whether Hawaii uses erasable fluorescent printing (printing that only shows up under ultraviolet light)? Non-optical brighteners (paper without added optical paper brighteners)? Intaglio printing (for that you would need to actually touch a Hawaiin BC)? Security thread (polyester thread woven into the paper)?


316 posted on 01/07/2013 9:04:28 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
The argument over security features seems completely academic until someone (other than a press flunky) is allowed to examine the certified copy or copies sent from HI. Better still open the original record book in HI, lay it on a table, put plexiglass protection over it and allow anyone to walk by and look at it.

On the other extreme, the WH could scan the certified copy into a computer, muck around with it, and release it as a PDF. Actually that is what they did proving that have no motivation to resolve this issue.

It is entirely possible that the butchering of the scanned copy involved removing or altering critical information.

The least likely scenario is that the WH PDF was created from pieces and parts either scanned or digitally created. That notion has gone by the wayside along with various incorrect theories like they used the wrong typewriter font or typewriter letters don't match, etc.

317 posted on 01/08/2013 4:13:44 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: 4Zoltan

I apologize for my curt response. I thought your comments were aimed at trolling.

Highly secure embossed seals are actually very subtle - by design. The pattern (seals) used by Nebraska in 1993 and Hawaii now are not embossed. But De-embossed and not designed to be secure like an embossed seal. So they do copy easier than the more secure embossed seals.

Here are examples of this lower level of ‘seal’.

http://www.stamp-connection.com/notary_by_state.php

The reason for these is they work with all sorts of paper.

The embossed seals that are more secure expect a high quality of paper.

BCs that do have watermarks will usually state they have a watermarks.

On ones I have there is a statement on the document -

“The back of this document contains an artificial watermark - hold at an angle to view.”

The security feature is having the feature itself AND indicating the feature is present. This prevents easily forged documents.

Many states have the Void Secure pattern embedded. In the days before scanners it was a very good anti forgery tool.

Hawaii seems to have a old style ‘seal’ and the basic basketweave paper as of now. In 1993 when Peterboy BC was released it had the voidsecure feature. I have not been able to tell when Hawaii ‘dumbed down’ their documents.

Here is a link to an image for Peterboy.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkwWpI_XqRTzwZREGB_6ds1pB8nn9icpyrMtZ255oQtKwgraZa&t=1


318 posted on 01/08/2013 6:17:38 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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