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To: Seizethecarp; bluecat6
An honest, competent investigator never overstates the nature or legal implications of claimed evidence.

Unless of course it fits your own theories, then it's all systems go. And you are flexible, you can change your mind at will without explanation.

His birth place is unknown.

check

His nationality at birth is unknown.

as a direct consequence

His Indonesian and Kenyan possible dual citizenship status and history is unknown.

that's why I continue to refer to him as zero - the name on the variety of documentation belongs to the son of the kenyan student.

His father is unknown.

I see you have given up on the Frank Marshall Davis ravished the teenage daughter of a friend - because she was easy, posed for naked photographs - and had the hots for coloured men 35 years older? Care to tell us what happened that changed your mind?

His mother has been confirmed to be Stanley Ann Dunham to a legal certainty, IMO from my assessment as a forensic fraud analyst

No she hasn't. All we have been shown by the mountain of contratictory material is that SAD may have turned up with a very young child that she showed to Susan Blake and that Mary baby-sat for Anna Obama in January 1961. Mary told the simple truth at first interview and those whom the truth didn't suit, have been trying to change what she said ever since.

As for your assessment as a foresnic fraud analyst that's not worth a hill of beans.

You're looking at zero on the left right here, and the child of Ann/Anna Obama on the right. Let me know when it dawns on you there were two women and two children, and that's why you can't know where zero came from, because neither SAD nor Anna Obama was the mother of zero.


296 posted on 12/19/2012 12:11:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; All

Lovely pictures of BHO II, David Obama and Mark Obama Ndesand, all with the same father, BHO Sr. as overwhelmingly corroborated by all contemporaneous evidence.

Yet Fred Nerks would have you believe his Mal-Val narrative account that Mark is actually Roman Obama of Ghana but at birth was also named BHO (”the real BHO” according to Fred Nerks), the mixed race African-Filipino son of BHO Sr. and a non-existent alleged Filipina wife named Anna Obama to gave birth in late 1959 presumably in HI but took the baby to Seattle where she appeared in Polk and her baby was babysat by Mary Toutonghi in January 1960.

Does Mark look the slightest bit Filipino? Does Roman Obama of Ghana look the slightest bit Filipino? Not to me.

Fred Nerks is going to reveal soon how the cut-and-paste Soetoro family pictures tie in to the alleged Lebanese mom of Barry, Valerie Sarruf, or to Mary Toutonghi...or something like that.

Something to look forward to!


297 posted on 12/19/2012 12:33:35 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Fred Nerks; Seizethecarp

I am not convinced that Senior is father at all. And still acknowledge that the solid, take it to the bank and bet your house on it evidence is still not there.

The events and documents of 1964 would have mutually beneficial effects. Divorce/faux marriage servers mother and child. Senior, once he is aware of the divorce action or if he pre-blessed it he gets to use USC wife and child (note that he does indicate divorce is final though it is as his April 1964 INS form) as a reason to stay in US.

If the FOIA are authentic he does reference SAD in 1961 - but not the child. Again, IF this is authentic then he is probably aware she is knocked up but does not know he is father. He fills out the form in September - a month after the supposed birth. He may be making up the status of ‘wife’ (vs. impregnated liason) to stay in the US - something he clearly wanted to do.

I really question any February 1961 real marriage at all. He was playboy, with a wife in Kenya. Love and family were not in the agenda. But having a ‘USC’ wife (and in 1964 - a USC child) give him hope of not getting deported.

Real or stand in - he had material gain of claiming USC wife and later child.

Wife and child got material gain from a formal divorce in 1964 - cleaning up stigma background with a more legitimate.


299 posted on 12/19/2012 12:55:29 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Fred Nerks

“I see you have given up on the Frank Marshall Davis ravished the teenage daughter of a friend - because she was easy, posed for naked photographs - and had the hots for coloured men 35 years older? Care to tell us what happened that changed your mind?”

FMD was 55 when SADO was 17, IIRC. Men at age 55 are often still considered to be very attractive, at least in Hollywood, and frequently marry or have consensual sex with women in their 20’s and father children.

As I said, I am not convinced the naked pics were SAD. Newbies to forensic investigation always overstate their evidence and just because SAD might theoretically have posed nude just before Christmas 1960 when she was already pregnant, wouldn’t mean that FMD did the deed as the video promoter claimed. SAD could have been made “hapa” by BHO and THEN posed nude for FMD. Without DNA we won’t ever know.

But FMD did write porno about seducing underage girls inviting a belief that he did this. He was also married to a white woman, showing an inclination there. He had access to Commie fellow-travelers the Dunhams who I consider to have been KGB assets just like FMD and Stanley Armour and FMD had extensive FBI files.

If FMD knocked up SAD, he would have the means, motive and opportunity to look around for another black man to be designated the father, and BHO Sr. was there needing money. So there is a plausible conspiracy theory that is a candidate for reality.

But since you asked again, the reason I don’t personally believe FMD is the dad (this is belief here) is the resemblance of Barry to his half-brother, David, as I have repeatedly reminded you.


322 posted on 12/19/2012 9:51:19 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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