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To: Fred Nerks; SvenMagnussen

It is normal for children to be removed from mothers passport..for example if child and mother are on one passport they must travel together child cannot travel seperately if they need to travel seperately each needs their own pasport.. I was removed at about age 7 or 8...
Kids travel unaccompanied all the time -overseas parents of divorced parents..there is a procedure for it despite what Sven says.

Sven also claims Soetoreo entered as a refugee but there is no basis for him to qualify as a refugee(what was he seeking protection from?)...he had two relatives, grandma and grandpa who took care of him and why would the INS turn him over to a stranger agency when he had competent relatives responsible for him, it doesn’t make sense.

Oh also airline employees are not going to let someone fly from a foreign country to the US without valid documents...so he must have had something

Minor Children Applying for Asylum By Themselves

Minor and Unaccompanied Minor Asylum Applicants

You may apply for asylum as a minor if you:

Are under 18 years old
Want to have your own case separate from your parents or spouse
You may apply for asylum as an unaccompanied minor if you:

Are under 18 years old.
Have no parent or legal guardian in the United States who can provide care or custody.
Were separated from your parents or legal guardians.
Entered the United States with a parent or other adult guardian but left the parent’s or guardian’s care.
Have a parent(s) that is deceased and there is no legal guardianship arrangement.
Asylum officers will decide your case if you are in immigration court proceedings or filed your application with an asylum office. You must attend your immigration court hearings and should follow the Immigration Judge’s instructions


142 posted on 12/13/2012 3:15:04 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

“Kids travel unaccompanied all the time -overseas parents of divorced parents..there is a procedure for it despite what Sven says.”

And there is a procedure for ICE agents to follow for Unaccompanied Minors with Foreign Nationality who are about to clear customs, as well.

Unaccompanied Minors departing International flights with U.S. Passports are not taken into protective custody by ICE agents. At it’s worst, the Unaccompanied Minor with a U.S. Passport is cleared through Customs and local law enforcement is called. If necessary, the state-based welfare agency will take the child into protective custody.

Obama was taken into protective custody by ICE agents before he cleared customs because he was Unaccompanied and did not have a U.S. Passport. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was one of two U.S. Federal contractors who took custody of foreign national children abandoned at border crossings in 1971.

Catholic Social Services of Connecticut maintained legal custody of Obama from 1971 until his 18th birthday. Madelyn Payne was awarded guardianship of Obama from 1971 until his 18th birthday. And Stanley Ann and Lolo were stripped of their parental rights in 1971 and could not claim him as a dependent on their U.S. Federal Tax returns because he was not their dependent. Stanley Ann and Lolo did claim Obama as a dependent for education expenses after his 18th birthday.


143 posted on 12/13/2012 3:37:57 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: rolling_stone

Ok, I daresay most of what you write is valid, but let’s reduce it down to something organic. The boy arrives in Hawaii and there’s nothing to connect him to the very people who are waiting to collect him at the airport. He has to pass through immigration, doesn’t he?
He can’t just get off the aircraft and stroll through the airport and jump into a taxi, can he?

Neither can you expect immigration to hand him over to anyone who isn’t connected to him.
And that goes whether he’s got a travelling companion or not.
And please remember, he had already been to Hawaii before that, at least once. Lia, the girl who claimed to be his adopted sister (she died suddenly not long ago) spent the summer holidays with the Dunhams - and Lia returned to Indonesia on her own, leaving him there, as she waved goodbye to the Dunhams, clutching the monkey-doll they had given her.
I think that’s possibly in 1969, he must have been there long enought to attend school, because there’s a photograph of him with Scott Inoue at Christmas, 1969, according to Scott’s mother.
So what was his name then and what kind of a passport did he then have, when his name was Barry Obama, according to Scott and his mother?

For immigration to allow him to pass through the airport in 1970 with the name of Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah without asking questions, is a potential for child-smuggling as I see it.
I’ll say it again. He looks like he arrived on his own passport and it’s in the name of Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah.

There’s no Soetoro name there, nothing to connect him to the name of the woman whose passport he left Hawaii on, and nothing to connect him to the man his mother married, under whose name he attended school in Indonesia, where his name is shown as BARRY SOETORO.

If you were employed by the immigration department, would you hand the boy over...or would you be within your rights to demand that the people who are trying to claim him, really have a relationship to the child?

And now of course, you have to place yourself into the shoes of the Dunhams.

WHAT MIGHT THEY HAVE HAD TO PROVE THEIR BONA-FIDES? NOTHING! AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY THE KENYAN HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO HAWAII TO APPEAR IN COURT AND ESTABLISH PARENTAGE.

The basis for which the divorce documents which gave her custody and named the kenyan as father were probably used.

I’m tired of going around in circles. You still don’t know who his biological parents were. You don’t know when he was born. You don’t know where he was born.

I think he was classified as a refugee not because he was in any danger in Indonesia, but because that was the only classification available under the circumstances.

He might as well have been a stateless orphan.

HE HAD NOTHING ON HIM THAT IDENTIFIED HIS PARENTS. DID HE? THEY COULDN’T EVEN SEND HIM BACK. TO WHOM WOULD THEY HAVE SENT HIM? MR & MRS SOEBARKAH????


144 posted on 12/13/2012 4:05:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: rolling_stone
...he had two relatives, grandma and grandpa who took care of him and why would the INS turn him over to a stranger agency when he had competent relatives responsible for him, it doesn’t make sense.

At the risk of repeating myself, that is the crux of the issue. The Dunhams couldn't provide evidence that they were in any way related to the boy.

146 posted on 12/13/2012 4:18:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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