Did Obama Fire General Ham Of Africom For Attempting To Buck His Order And Rescue Stevens?

Pat Dollard ^ | 10/28/12 | Pat Dollard

[Nachum]

The latest hot rumor flying around the internet is that General Ham of Africon, whose departure was announced last week, was actually fired for attempting to buck Obama’s order not to rescue Ambassador Stevens. He’s not exactly leaving early for his type of command, plus, he’s still in command, I have to assume, since his replacement still has to be confirmed by the Senate. Even if it’s an urban legend, it’s such a cool one that it’s kind of a duty to pass it on. Here’s the text most-often seen in emails, message boards and blog posts:

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote: “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

[TigersEye]

Perhaps if you wrote in full sentences, specified a subject, object and named your position I would understand what you’re getting at. But your cryptic code phrases are nothing but gobbledygook to me.

[wastedyears]

Was AFRICOM included? Are you carrying water for the administration?

[Uri’el-2012]

Ham was in trouble over lavish spending before Benghazi.

You are confused

See 43 above

It was kip ward you are thinking of

[Old Retired Army Guy]

You are correct. I apologize.

[Uri’el-2012]

sorry I gave you credit that is clearly not due.

[Marie]

Ham was a temporary replacement for General Kip Ward. It was an interim position from the beginning. (My husband is in the army and has been well aware of this for months.) This is a non-issue.

[TigersEye]

If you thought I decoded baby talk then you’re right you gave me too much credit.

[American Constitutionalist]

Regardless of what anyone thinks here he was releaved of his duty as of now instead of later in a change of command ceremony.

Call it early retirement ?

So Obama, the Joint Chiefs of Staff thought that they would give Gen Ham a early retirement gift ?

They already knew that it was a planned change of command so now they can use that convenient excuse if asked by the press or Congress that he was going to be releaved anyway.

How convenient.

Perhaps ?

This whole thing was planned months in advance, the gun and arms running into Libya, Syria, and a last minute plan ( Benghazi ) and they knew that Gen. Ham would not obey commands if it was " Civilian " government workers lives at stake to go and rescue them.

So ? what does Obama and the JCS do ? they sack him for not taking orders to " Stand Down " .. and the convenient upside story of all this ? they will say " he was going to be releaved any way "

[Cruz]

It seems every day this fiasco unfolds the plot most resembles a Tom Clancy movie gone wrong....a political operator helps overthrow a madman dictator then assumes ambassador status in nation now far more radical and unstable before the coup. The movie becomes unbelievable when despite uptick in terrorist attacks, threats and probes, he is not only denied a Marine detail, but his spec-ops bodyguards are suddenly withdrawn before 9/11 to be replaced with an outsourced no name British contractor who hires poorly vetted local Arabs for security.

Meanwhile the plot thickens to include heroic ex-seal CIA operators stationed nearby who are trying desperately to locate 10,000-20,000 lost surface to air missiles, which in the wrong hands can wreck all sorts of havoc worldwide for decades to come.

As expected the attack occurs and final third of the movie is action packed and does not dissappoint with lots of gunplay, cgi explosions, and mayhem. The heroes disobey direct orders from the wh to rescue dozens of Americans at the consulate, but are unable to find the ambassador. Meanwhile a rogue cigar smoking general (an admiral?), put their careers on the line to send the Calvary in, but in this movie, the general is immediately relieved of command at gunpoint, Delta and FAST are stood down, and the spectre gunship receives direct orders from SecDef to return to base. The good guys are left stranded and are killed. The ambassador’s corpse is paraded about, and all of this is viewed realtime from armed drones (which also have not been allowed to attack) the entire time by the wh. The coverup works because the msm attacks Romney when he questions decisions made. A phony video protest story is trotted out to the msm and the UN without question. Two thumbs down.

[Nachum]

Yes. Google does not like me. Or at least somebody who does not like my politics...

Nothing wrong with the site. Hundreds visit daily, on Friday more than 3500 downloads from the site. No problems.

[Uri’el-2012]

If you thought I decoded baby talk then you’re right you gave me too much credit.

You might want to parse your own postings
for punctuation and grammar.

Zero never got past seventh grade math.

[Larousse2]

Apologies for not posting links separately. I am Tweeting my brains out to get the word out, including foreign press.

Report: Obama Watched Benghazi Attack From 'Situation Room'

Justice with Judge Jeanine 10/27/12 - CIA talks about latest news about Benghazi coverup

Judge Jeanine speaking with Charles Woods, father of Benghazi slain SEAL Ty Woods

Judge Jeanine asks White House 'How do you sleep at night'

[TigersEye]

The most unbelievable part of your movie is that all of the most respected news sources in the U.S. act as if nothing at all happened and actively ridicule anyone who does speak out about the very public and transparent betrayal of the ambassador and about 40 other State Dept. and CIA employees.

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Pat Caddell called it. Do you believe it yet?

Pat Caddell slams the media: They have become an “enemy of the people” Sept. 29, 2012(video 26:00)

Emotional Pat Caddell on the MSM ignoring Benghazi: “These people have no honor!” Sept. 27, 2012 (video at link 4:06)

The Media will not report the truth!

[TigersEye]

blah blah blah Make your point or shut up.

[atc23]

Which horse are you betting on in the Preakness?

[Uri’el-2012]

piss off BOY

[TigersEye]

Yeah, sure. Get back to me when you can write a sentence that doesn’t sound like a five year old’s babbling.

[Girlene]

Thank you for this information. There have been some wild rumors floating around about the Benghazi situation, and I suspected the one about General Ham was one of them.

[Girlene]

I call BS on Jen’s Twitter/ whoever she might be (shilling for).

Jennifer Griffin is the FOX reporter who broke the story about the CIA/GRS people being told to stand down twice and being refused any military backup. I think she has a bit of street cred at this point.

[TigersEye]

Jennifer Griffin didn’t write the tweet that bboop is replying about. I believe Matchett-PI did and said so in his post.