“1971 — Barack Obama, Jr., age 10, returned to Hawaii to attend fifth grade at Punahou School, a prestigious preparatory school. Tuition was paid with the aid of scholarships and help from his grandmother.”
AGE TEN!!!! You can NOT lose your U.S. citizenship! Your parents can't take it away from you because of adoption or ANY OTHER REASON!!! You have to do it YOURSELF!!! Many forms to fill out AFTER you are EIGHTEEN! Obama was TEN when he moved back to America.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE what OTHER countries do with their citizenship. It doesn't affect your U.S. citizenship. Common sense (also U.S. law), why would another country be able to negate your U.S. citizenship?
Never mind the “dual citizenship” nonsense, it is irrelevant. Again, why would another country's citizenship laws TRUMP U.S. law? IT DOESN'T!
If Obama was a foreign exchange student, it wasn't from Indonesia, it would have been from Kenya, where he was actually born.
BUT, if this red herring of Indonesian citizenship gets the public focused on Obama’s eligibility, GREAT! I don't care HOW we get there, just that we get there.
OR, he committed FRAUD! He could have lied and used forged documents from Indonesia, Pakistan, or anywhere else.
We have his mother’s passport records indicating the boy was no longer an American. That’s a fact. You can scream and deny but it’s still true.
Well faucetmouth, since you are well versed on Barry’s history, tell us - what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan, and what did he do there? It is not a garden spot.
you said:
“1971 — Barack Obama, Jr., age 10, returned to Hawaii to attend fifth grade at Punahou School, a prestigious preparatory school. Tuition was paid with the aid of scholarships and help from his grandmother.”
This is another inconsistency. There is a picture of him at that school with a classmate in 3rd grade taken in Dec. 1969. There are Christmas decorations in the background. The fellow sent it to him after he was elected and he autographed it and returned it to him. I’ve seen it online several times.
“Many forms to fill out AFTER you are EIGHTEEN!”
That is simply not true as a matter of what our law was in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
And by the way, the 18-year-old demarcation was added to our laws in the 1986 amendments to the INA. Before that it was possible for him to voluntarily relinquish US citizenship as, for example, a 17-year-old, if the circumstances as a whole indicated that he knew what he was doing. And it was not necessary to fill out US government forms to relinquish US citizenship. The question was whether, looking at the circumstances as a whole, he voluntarily took an affirmative action evidencing an intent to relinquish US citizenship.
If Obama gained Indonesian nationality as a child and then later, as a young adult, he:
1. signed his name claiming status as an Indonesian citizen to an application for college or for financial aid, or
2. renewed an Indonesian passport or
3. did any other affirmative action that evidenced a clear and unambiguous intention to relinquish United States citizenship,
then Obama is likely no longer a U.S. citizen, under our laws as they were in effect in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
The reason Indonesian citizenship would cause such a legal problem for Obama is because Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship.
Therefore, if Obama affirmatively chose Indonesia citizenship, then he necessarily was evidencing an intent to relinquish his United States citizenship.
This would not necessarily be the case if the other country was one that allowed dual citizenship, such as Israel. If Obama was a US citizen and also an Israeli citizen, then by renewing an Israeli passport he does NOT necessarily relinquish U.S. citizenship, because his intent clearly could have been to be a citizen of both countries.
However, in the case of Indonesia, if Obama had taken an affirmative action to be an Indonesian citizen, then he cannot claim he intended to be a citizen of both countries, because Indonesia made very clear at the time that if you were an Indonesian citizen you could NOT also be a citizen of another country, so he would have known that by choosing Indonesia he was choosing one over the other, and not both.
The Hague Convention on International Adoptions, to which the US is a signatory DOES allow the citizenship laws of the adopting nation to be honored so as to facilitate adoption in the host country. Pakistan does not allow for dual citizenship and undoubtedly required Lolo Soetero to renounce Barry’s US citizenship so that he could adopt him. True Barry’s US citizenship cannot be PERMENENTLY renounced by such actions. However, Barry would have to appear before an appropriate State Dept. official and swear an oath of loyalty to the US so as to repatriate himself upon achieving the age of 18. He would then be a NATURALIZED citizen, and would forever lose any NBC status that he might have had. (Iam sure he was NEVER an NBC) There is no evidence that he did so.
The purpose of Article II, Sec. I Clause 5 of the USC was to protect the office of the POTUS from undue foreign influence, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty NOT to ensure an alien entity like Barack Obama would have the right to assume the presidency one day. The measure was EXCLUSIONARY (only applicable to the presidency and NO other provision of citizenship) and not to be interpeted as all inclusionary so as to protect the office of POTUS.
The Hague Convention on International Adoptions, to which the US is a signatory DOES allow the citizenship laws of the adopting nation to be honored so as to facilitate adoption in the host country. Pakistan does not allow for dual citizenship and undoubtedly required Lolo Soetero to renounce Barry’s US citizenship so that he could adopt him. True Barry’s US citizenship cannot be PERMENENTLY renounced by such actions. However, Barry would have to appear before an appropriate State Dept. official and swear an oath of loyalty to the US so as to repatriate himself upon achieving the age of 18. He would then be a NATURALIZED citizen, and would forever lose any NBC status that he might have had. (Iam sure he was NEVER an NBC) There is no evidence that he did so.
The purpose of Article II, Sec. I Clause 5 of the USC was to protect the office of the POTUS from undue foreign influence, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty NOT to ensure an alien entity like Barack Obama would have the right to assume the presidency one day. The measure was EXCLUSIONARY (only applicable to the presidency and NO other provision of citizenship) and not to be interpeted as all inclusionary so as to protect the office of POTUS.
The Hague Convention on International Adoptions, to which the US is a signatory DOES allow the citizenship laws of the adopting nation to be honored so as to facilitate adoption in the host country. Pakistan does not allow for dual citizenship and undoubtedly required Lolo Soetero to renounce Barry’s US citizenship so that he could adopt him. True Barry’s US citizenship cannot be PERMENENTLY renounced by such actions. However, Barry would have to appear before an appropriate State Dept. official and swear an oath of loyalty to the US so as to repatriate himself upon achieving the age of 18. He would then be a NATURALIZED citizen, and would forever lose any NBC status that he might have had. (Iam sure he was NEVER an NBC) There is no evidence that he did so.
The purpose of Article II, Sec. I Clause 5 of the USC was to protect the office of the POTUS from undue foreign influence, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty NOT to ensure an alien entity like Barack Obama would have the right to assume the presidency one day. The measure was EXCLUSIONARY (only applicable to the presidency and NO other provision of citizenship) and not to be interpeted as all inclusionary so as to protect the office of POTUS.
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDRENParents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
Question is...did Barry?