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To: Fred Nerks

Agree on all the points.

I am just going off of ‘accepted names’ or where at least some sort of official document (fraud or not) has been shown, even if the reliability is in question (which most is!).

1961 - BCs (COLB and LFBC). Though these are known frauds they are the material at hand.
1964 - SAD/BHO divorce papers do explicitly state child is “Barack Hussein Obama, II” and give birth date of August 4, 1961.
1968 August - SAD US passport update removes “Barack Hussein Obama” (no II).

1968 January - School document with “Barry Soetoro”. Notice that no other Indonesian records have come forward.

1969 photo with Scott Inoue - Handwritten “Barry”

All the high school information says “Barry Obama”. But it is all photos and yearbooks. Not real records.

And finally at Oxy we get ‘no more Barry’ and Barack Obama re-emerges.

Now we all go by nicknames. Barry for Barack. OK - that can make sense.

But what ‘formal identity’ and associated citizenship was used between March 1965 (Marriage of Lolo to SAD) and ... now...

Obama was on his mother passport - till August of 1968....and afterward??? What passport did he use? US or Indonesian? Or Kenyan? How were formal records filled out name wise. Josephs become Joeys on the playground...but not in formal school or government documents.

And given the international background these formal identities had to be tied to citizenships.

Barry Soetoro - that was an indonesian name that was apparently being used in Inodnesia. What formally happened to it? Retired? Changed up immigration to the US? Change by order of the court?

So the real list (so far) is this:

Barack Hussein Obama II (1961-1964 BCs, divorce document)
Barack Hussein Obama (1968 SAD passport removal)
Barry Soetoro (January 1968 school document)
Barry (1969 photo)
Barry Obama (high school picture)
Barack Hussein Obama (Adult life)

A lot of name changes for anyone. But what officially happeened at the key junctures?

I am not claiming to know this person. In fact, the unknowns far outweigh the knowns. And there is nothing in formal document that captures the transition from one to the other.

I gut feel on Indonesia is that mother was trying to do the ‘dual citizen’ thing even though that is against the law in Indonesia. Maybe she got caught or maybe the logistics were too complex. But the 1968 update was ONLY to remove BHO from the passport. Could a kid be trusted to lie to Indonesian officials or to show the correct passport at the correct entry point if he had 2 passports? Probably not. Barry needed to terminate his American citizenship and even then he or the family may have run into issues that caused a situation where he HAD to disconnect completely from Indonesia. All speculation. But something triggered the 1971 event.

So that is it for tonight. Take care.


288 posted on 07/22/2012 10:12:04 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

1968 August - SAD US passport update removes “Barack Hussein Obama” (no II).


Isn’t that the document that has “Soebarkah” crossed off? So isn’t that the actual last name he was using at that time?


292 posted on 07/22/2012 10:50:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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