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To: Old Sarge; All

“The President may bind the country to anything he may say or do until the Senate considers the treaty in full” (pg 93):

http://books.google.com/books?id=kwYsAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=treaty+binding+until+senate+rejects+it&source=bl&ots=bU-bX4Srys&sig=Okd5_zB_W9Q2xxK4qpF_6FBNxLM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M9wGUIa3A4Ow2QXWpZnOBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=treaty%20binding%20until%20senate%20rejects%20it&f=false

This was thought necessary by the Framers to allow the president the ability to negotiate, and he can agree to things piecemeal with the UN or other nations and they hold until considered by the Senate IN FULL.

Yet another concern would be Obama ramming it through in a lame-duck session... the possibility of that strategy being implemented here is real indeed.

Obama signing it is BAD anyway you look at it, and I wouldn’t be count on the Constitution -which Obama routinely ignores- NOR the Supreme Court, who seem more interested in working around it at this point.


114 posted on 07/18/2012 9:04:40 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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PS-

This is what Morris is talking about, and I read alternative views elsewhere... sounds like vigilance is the way to go in absence of certainty, no?

Like Levin says.. we are now living in a post-Constructional US- 2 out of 3 branches now openly disregard/twist it


116 posted on 07/18/2012 9:23:29 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
“The President may bind the country to anything he may say or do until the Senate considers the treaty in full” (pg 93):

There is no such quote as that!
Here is the whole sentence, not the snippet you have up!

Whether, in conducting a negotiation consisting, it may be, of many successive steps, the President can bind the Government to anything he may do or say until the Senate has finally considered the entire scheme and has approved every point in it by a two-thirds vote is a question that involves the consideration of his powers as Chief Executive under the Constitution. They are as broad as is necessary for conducting and concluding negotiations with any foreign nation, and are, therefore, in that respect as broad as those of any such nation.

There are only two returns for "full" on pages 93-97 and neither of them go with your "quote".

119 posted on 07/18/2012 9:28:28 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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