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To: Quickgun
Texas didn’t give a rats ass the first time,and won’t give a rats ass this time either.

Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

36 posted on 07/15/2012 4:16:44 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

In 1864, the world was very different. The north was the economic and production center of the country. Texas was scrub farms with small income.

Compare and contrast with today.

War is always about logistics. First and last.

Texas might not be so easy to crush today.

/johnny

56 posted on 07/15/2012 4:30:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: moonshot925

I don’t think so. wars aren’t fought like they were in 1860. The US didn’t win Korea, or Vietnam, and hasn’t won Afghanistan yet. Random guerrilla attacks would be the style, and most likely after a time what is left of the bankrupt USA would call it off. That, of course is just my opinion. It would all be a new chess game, that is for sure. When things get bad enough people will rise to the occasion.


64 posted on 07/15/2012 4:36:30 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: moonshot925
Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

You'd like to see that wouldn't you, you fascist boot licking coward.

133 posted on 07/15/2012 6:13:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925
Texas was crushed the first time

hee hee hee

Where were you educated? That is about the dumbest statement I ever heard about the State of Texas. The Confederacy was beaten, a short attempt was made by the Feds to "occupy" Texas. That did not work out very well and did not last long.

Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston And he refused to take Texas out of the United States, went to live with the Indians in OK.

163 posted on 07/15/2012 6:43:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: moonshot925; Quickgun
Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

Quickgun, what Moonshot925 is saying is that if Obama is re-elected, issues all sorts of unconstitutional excutive orders, and one or more States secede over it, then Moonshot 925 will become private Moonshot925 in Obama's army. After basic training (lots of bayonet practice, and not a lot on distinguishing civilians from combatants), he'll then follow orders to march on Texas, and likely follow orders to commit the massacres it'd take to pacify the rebels.

Because, you know, some pro-union SCOTUS dude said it wasn't allowed in 1861, and - by golly - might makes right. I WISH this was sarcasm, but you'll find a lot of folks around here who would kill to keep the Union in place, with no regard to what the Union then represented.

169 posted on 07/15/2012 6:51:13 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: moonshot925
Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

Four campaigns or battles come to mind: (1) Galveston, (2) Sabine Pass, (3) Mansfield, and (4) the Rio Grande campaign of John Salmon R.I.P. Ford.

Galveston. The Feds took Galveston but were then thrown out on their ear in a few months by land troops and sharpshooters on two cotton-clad bayou steamers going against ships of the US Navy. One cotton-clad grounded, but the sharpshooter on board were effective against sailors on the deck of the Union ship Harriet Lane, the ship that had fired the first naval shot of the war at Charleston in 1861. The other cotton-clad rammed the Harriet Lane and tilted her over. The other federal ships were either scuttled or fled under a flag of truce leaving the Federal land forces to be captured.

Sabine Pass. The Feds next decided to invade Texas through Sabine Pass (on the border with Louisiana) rather than through Galveston. Here is a monument that commemorates that battle:

I'll correct the details on the monument. The initial Federal invasion force was 5,000 men. Ten thousand more were to come later when the beachhead was established. Four Federal gunboats led the invasion up the shallow pass and were tasked with shelling the mud fort, which they did for an hour and a half, and landing a force of troops to take the fort. Twenty-two transport ships (one source says 18) carrying the Federal invasion force followed behind the four gunboats. Apparently the Federal gunboats expected the Confederates to withdraw from the fort because of the bombardment, but Dowling and his 42 men did not leave, but held their fire.

The four gunboats then moved in closer. The Feds noticed some sticks sticking out of the water in the Pass but kept on coming toward the fort. Those sticks were used for cannon target practice by the men of the fort. When the first two Federal ships reached the sticks they were promptly hit with shells from the fort which disabled the ships' boilers. One hundred Federals were killed or wounded. Dowling did not lose a man. Three hundred fifty Federals from the damaged gunboats surrendered to Dowling when the rest of the ships turned tail and headed back to New Orleans.

Federal Admiral Farragut, who had helped plan the Federal invasion, called the battle of Sabine Pass the most shameful incident in the history of the US Navy.

Mansfield. The Federals sent a force of 25,000 up the Red River with the objective of capturing the Louisiana wartime capital at Shreveport and returning Texas to the Union. The Federal invasion was stopped by 11,000 Texas and Confederate troops at Mansfield, Louisiana. The Feds retreated to the Mississippi River.

Rio Grande. Finally, the Feds invaded Texas from the sea along the Rio Grande Valley. Its main objective was to stop Confederate cotton trade through Mexico and stop supplies (guns, etc.) coming into Texas from Mexico. The Federal force was 6,000 strong. One part of them reached Laredo where they were defeated by Texas Hispanics under Colonel Santos Benavides.

Texas formed the 1,500 man "Cavalry of the West" under old Texas Ranger captain John S. R.I.P. Ford to clear the Rio Grande Valley. His 1,500 men drove the Federals back down the Rio Grande to an island off the Texas coast. Ford defeated the Feds in the last land battle of the war in May 1865 at Palmetto Ranch (also called Palmito Ranch).

Sources. My sources included but were not limited to:

Lone Star by T. R. Fehrenbach
Battle on the Bay, the Civil War Struggle for Galveston by Edward T. Cotham, Jr.
The Last Battle of the Civil War by Jeffrey William Hunt.

237 posted on 07/15/2012 9:50:19 PM PDT by rustbucket
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