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1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:43:32 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Baloney. Robert’s is traitorous scum.

He single handedly saved Obamacare.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 1:48:45 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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So is Sotomayor then I suppose. Can’t forget that conservative stalwart Breyer either. They certainly outfoxed that idiot Scalia didn’t they?

God bless them. We are all freer citizens today.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:08 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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Instead of machinations, Roberts’ contorted way to “get back at Obama” is akin to pissing in the wind that splatters everyone.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Very interesting.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:17 PM PDT by PGalt
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He also set a precedent that states that the Federal Government can apply a penalty tax for behavior (not purchasing health insurance). If that's OK, then:

Why not a penalty tax for not sending your kids to public schools?

Why not a penalty tax for not buying an electric car?

Why not a penalty tax for not installing a government monitored thermostat in your home?

Why not a penalty tax for not creating a gun-free zone in your house?

6 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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I’m actually starting to agree with this. The individual mandate was the most important piece and it was struck down. That would have been irreversible damage if that had been upheld.

So Congress can tax, no news there. It’s the political backlash that keeps them from over-exercising that piece.

Hmmm, might not be so bad.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 1:50:03 PM PDT by Kenny
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8 posted on 06/28/2012 1:50:51 PM PDT by PMAS (ABO 2012)
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Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

You are joking, right? Americans are being forced to buy health insurance or be taxed to death. What Roberts did is enshrine the right of Congress to force Americans to do anything they want through the use of the tax system. There are no limits or any charade any more like the Commerce Clause.

Obamacare has been deemed constitutional including the individual mandate. Congress can compel Americans to purchase anything period.

9 posted on 06/28/2012 1:51:46 PM PDT by kabar
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Interesting analysis...not sure I really concur though. I was able to read part of the ruling and not sure I agree that is how it reads.
Can you point to the actual text in his opinion that backs this assertion? I keep seeing it being asserted that he is some sort of genius, but haven’t seen the details behind it for my own confirmation.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:06 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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Six hours after the announcement I am recognizing this scenario and accepting that Roberts has indeed pulled a fast one.

As on cue, Obamster got in front of the cameras and spiked the ball. He needed this "victory" so badly he made no argument or offerred no reason why this is not a tax and therefore completed the ownership of this largest increase in taxes ever.

So yes I am a bit more cool than at 10:20 AM this morning.

11 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:43 PM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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I really don’t think Roberts put this much thought into his decision. He’s a progressive. This is what progressives do.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:51 PM PDT by albie
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That’s putting the best face on it, but I think when people cool off a little they will see that there is some good that could come from this. No longer will the dems be able to say it isn’t a tax. and if many states opt out, the whole program will go belly up. Kind of cool actually...


13 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:51 PM PDT by refermech
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BULLSHIT !!!!

Roberts could have done all of that and more by voting with the 4 conservatives. How damn stupid can people be?


15 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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Perhaps or maybe its just perceived as strategy with Roberts. Irregardless Obama is intent on shoving this monstrosity down our throats so the objective remains the same. Dump his tyrranical butt and all complicit Dems in November. War on Dems-—dont walk to the voting booths—RUN!


16 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:19 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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Excellent analysis and I pray it is what transpired.

As pissed off as I was, it never occurred to me that anyone would consider harm to Roberts; on the other hand, if that hellhole they call DC and all it's occupants were to suddenly disappear, I wouldn't volunteer for any search parties - I'd be doing partying of another sort.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:22 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (0bama lied, Freedom Died)
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Interesting. I must think on this.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:54 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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Actually if Roberts were a genius he would have secured a future for his children and grandchildren. Instead he has knowingly consigned them to hell on earth and by extension all of our children. This nightmare is unworkable. It’s the way civilizations die and his will not be exempt from those horrors.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:41 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax.

Except Obama or his solicitor general did not argue it was a tax or is it written as a tax but that the intent of ObamaCare was a 'mandate.' Roberts ignored the intent and the meaning of the law by becoming an activist judge and changed the law "to a tax" to support his erroneous opinion.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Interestingly enough they seemed to me to be classifying all funds transferred to the state to be a tax no matter what it is called. I think there will be hell to pay for that.


27 posted on 06/28/2012 1:58:09 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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I agree with a lot of your analysis.

I don't think Roberts acted honorably. I think instead of concentrating only on the constitutionality, he considered the historical political consequences of tossing the whole law, and went french in the face of battle.

But, he did toss conservatives a consolation prize. His majority opinion restricting congress' ability to hide behind the commerce clause while continuing to grow was signed by every liberal hump on the court. I think they were so thrilled to have him on board, they all agreed to whatever phrasing he came up with. Giddy idiots.

Plus, it's a political loss for Team Obama, who now have to face the fact that the economy is in the shitter, and instead of fixing it, they championed the largest middle-class tax hike in American history.

Maybe they can kill bin Laden again.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 2:01:12 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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