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To: Ditto
Since slavery was a total states rights issue then (prior to the 13th Amendment)

Which version of the 13th Amendment do you mean, the pro-slavery language Lincoln vigorously endorsed (Corwin amendment), or the one they could only ratify over his dead body?

Your knowledge of history has some very serious gaps.

Did you know about Corwin: No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

The very existence of this thing disproves the prevailing interpretation of history. It is not the smoking gun, it is the magic bullet itself. A whole version of history lies dead in the corner with Lincoln bent over it.

I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens.

I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. The contended issues referenced also include: tariffs, disadvantageous and selective support of certain industries and classes of people, and the use of "millions" (real money, back then) from the common treasury for disproportionally regional internal improvements. The sort of people who usually cite this reported version of the speech tend to gloss over those points, if they are even aware of them.

I write "reported version" because what comes to us was not a recording, a stenotype, or even Stephens' notes, but was cobbled together from a report's hasty notes. Stephens himself claimed that the published version of the speech contained many errors, which casts a shadow of doubt over much of it.

Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

That view was not supported by the very figure to whom you turn.

82 posted on 06/24/2012 2:40:54 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Brass Lamp
Did you know about Corwin: No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

The very existence of this thing disproves the prevailing interpretation of history. It is not the smoking gun, it is the magic bullet itself. A whole version of history lies dead in the corner with Lincoln bent over it.

The same neo-confederate BS that I have grown so tired of hearing here. Lincoln did not vigorously endorse the Corwin Amendment. He only said that he did not care one way or another, but if could have convinced the states that had already declare secession to return to the union, he was not opposed. The amendment was only proposed to reassure the South that the Federal Government had no intention of abolishing slavery.

In fact, there was no possible way the Federal Government could have abolished it before secession.

Congress would have never given the necessary 2/3 majority of both houses, and with 15 out of 37 being slave states, there was no chance of gaining the necessary 3/4 of state ratification necessary to ratify such an admendment to the constitution.

Your drivel about Lincoln supporting Corwin is a standard Lost Cause tactic to confuse those who do not know history or are totally ignorant of the constitutional process.

Lincoln did not come into office promising to end slavery. His only pledge was to end the expansion of slavery to the territories.

That, and that alone is what the Confederates went to war over.

Read about the Corwin Amendment here.

Learn the facts and please stop spreading misinformation.

113 posted on 06/24/2012 8:36:27 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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