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To: RinaseaofDs; BlackElk
No more free riders. Everyone needs to have a stake in tax policy. With over 50 percent not paying taxes (you need to crank in the illegals), there’s no incentive to oppose tax increases on the producers.

BS. There are so many taxes besides the income tax, and of course the taxes paid by corporations and sole proprietorships are passed onto the so-called "free-riders". Very few people had to pay income tax when it was first introduced. The conservative position is to push for lower taxes in general.

When we start arguing about making sure everyone pays in one of the many taxes we are subject to, we are conceding big government. Hey, those of you who call yourselves constitutionalists as the Founding Fathers intended, how about serious income-generating tariffs so that the free-riders who sit offshore benefitting from our comparatively stable system and (what is left of) free enterprise have some more skin in the game? You will find a lot more in the original Constitution about that than about income taxes.
15 posted on 06/18/2012 10:08:05 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: Dr. Sivana

It should be clear that when 50% pay no federal income taxes it is almost impossible to stop higher taxes.

There will never be smaller government as long as there is a huge constituency which believes tax policy is used and should be used to punish those with more than it.

Your thinking on this is missing a critical element.


47 posted on 06/18/2012 10:44:58 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No one in this country should have a zero federal income tax liability. It is the epitome of progressive (leftist) doctrine to have 53% of the population supporting the remaining 47% many of whom get my money given to them in the form of earned income tax credits. I am tired of carrying freeloaders.

Everyone benefits from the military which is one of the few constitutionally mandated federal government services.

Flat federal tax rate across the board. The same goes with state income taxes. I already pay the highest property taxes in the country, sales taxes on practically everything I purchase, and a myriad of other surcharges, fees and hidden state and local taxes.

The current system is confiscation of private property from the bourgeoisie and nothing else.


58 posted on 06/18/2012 10:58:24 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

The point is that progressives currently have it structured such that the income tax beneficiaries get to vote more taxes upon the income tax payers.

Go flat, include everyone, level the field, and they will not be so quick to increase a tax they know they’ll never have to pay.

As for completely eliminating income tax, if I thought there was a political possibility of doing that, short of a collapse of our current federal system of government and reversion to a loose confederacy of states, I’d be for it.


83 posted on 06/18/2012 11:56:26 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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