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To: muawiyah
People who want to simply write off the Social Security debt and the Social Security obligations think they've invented a new way of stealing which will not be defined that way ~ but sorry gang, theft is theft ~ there's a whole huge part of the law called "CONVERSION" and that's about every sort of theft there ever was or ever can be. So don't even think about it.

For your info the USSC has ruled that the Money collected by the SS tax is just revenue no different than any other money collect by the government. You are under the false assumption that there is a Social Security debt there is not.

The proceeds of both (the employee and the employer) taxes are to be paid into the treasury like other internal revenue generally, and are NOT earmarked in any way." Helvering v. Davis, U.S. 619, 635 (1937)]

People participating in Social Security payroll deductions do NOT acquire property rights or contractual rights through their payments, as they would if they were paying on an insurance policy or contributing to an annuity plan. Simply put, there are no guarantees! The Congress does have power to deny benefits to citizens even, though they had paid S.S. taxes. Also, the amounts of benefits granted are at the option of Congress. Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603, 610 (1960).

The Fifth Amendment has nothing to do with social security.

124 posted on 06/19/2012 5:33:14 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
You are so off the mark. We are all armed and dangerous. Be polite and don't steal our money. We are not going to let you use it to pay off your mortgages.

Just step back away from The Treasury and go on about your business and it will be OK.

(That's called Real Politik)

125 posted on 06/19/2012 10:42:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ratman83

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897011/posts ~ whatever you think those cases you cited say take a good look at today’s news. The meaning has changed ~


126 posted on 06/19/2012 10:55:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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