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To: sten

“the ruling on McCain was that he was a natural born citizen as he was born on US soil, ie: a US base, of TWO citizen parents.”

Wrong.

Panama Juan was born in Colón City, Republic of Panama.

This makes him a Panamanian citizen also. He is dual.

Even had he been born within the Canal Zone as he lied in his book that he was, he would still be a dual citizen as I am.

I was born in Ancon, Canal Zone.


20 posted on 05/20/2012 9:14:11 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Time for a records building fire in Hawaii. /S


23 posted on 05/20/2012 9:33:00 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Opinion of Laurence H. Tribe and Theodore B. Olson: McCain is eligible

Per request from Senator McCain two researchers presented a report on March 19, 2008, declaring McCain to be eligible.

The Constitution does not define the meaning of “natural born Citizen.” The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain’s birth, he is a “natural born” citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.

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Indeed, the statute that the First Congress enacted on this subject not only established that such children are U.S. citizens, but also expressly referred to them as “natural born citizens.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, § 1, 1 Stat. 103, 104.

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Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 — one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 — not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier.


27 posted on 05/20/2012 9:54:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

if he was not born on US soil, then you are correct.

sources i reviewed stated he was born on the US base, which would be US soil.

this isn’t rocket science. it’s pretty much a litmus test. there isn’t much room for discussion unless people are being deliberately dense


40 posted on 05/20/2012 11:22:14 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
“the ruling on McCain was that he was a natural born citizen as he was born on US soil, ie: a US base, of TWO citizen parents.” Wrong. Panama Juan was born in Colón City, Republic of Panama. This makes him a Panamanian citizen also. He is dual.

Over the years, millions of Americans have been born abroad to parents in the military, the diplomatic corps or other government postings, plus the business expats, academics, and tourists who didn't get home in time. To my knowledge, no one prior to the Obama controversy has ever suggested that the born-abroad children of two U.S. citizen parents were not natural born citizens.

Maybe I'm wrong. Do the military and the State Department have advisories out to their personnel to the effect that their children will be disqualified if born overseas?

I don't think so.

45 posted on 05/20/2012 12:26:26 PM PDT by sphinx
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