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To: Steelfish

The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. It is not the same as “citizenship” defined under the 14th Amendment (1868) . The Framers understood this term to mean an individual who is born to both parents who are US citizens. Obama’s Dad was NOT a US citizen.


2 posted on 05/18/2012 2:09:38 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. It is not the same as “citizenship” defined under the 14th Amendment (1868) . The Framers understood this term to mean an individual who is born to both parents who are US citizens. Obama’s Dad was NOT a US citizen.....

Right you are.

But Hawaii may not have a birth certificate as such. They may only have affidavits to his being born there and can only manufacture a BC on request.

Sort of what is the meaning of is? So they cannot say they have a BC. Thus no response.


7 posted on 05/18/2012 2:14:45 PM PDT by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Steelfish
Little barry bastard commie's presumed dad was not an American citizen, and his mother was not old enough to convey U.S. citizenship upon him if born out of the country, which he was.
8 posted on 05/18/2012 2:16:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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The Arizona Secretary of State should phrase his question to Hawaii more carefully, by asking if Hawaii has a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii to two US citizen parents.

IIRC, Hawaii used to register foreign births so conceivably the state could say they have a birth record for the President on file, but that wouldn't show the president was born in the US or to two citizen parents.

10 posted on 05/18/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by old republic
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It would have been defined in contemporary works if the framers expected it to be clear. Wasn’t it the case that at least for persons born in the colonies of British parents, the child was still subject to some British laws? The framers did not want there to be a president with any such legal obligations to another country.


13 posted on 05/18/2012 2:24:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Steelfish

The media will never report that which is why the Kenyan is able to get away with it. What I would be curious about is if the INS keeps records of every immigrant going back 50 years or if they keep records at all and see if a B. Hussien Obama came in on a student visa. And what about his social security number? When was that issued? What is the record on that? Then you got school records etc etc... I mention all this because all it takes is ONE government document showing him to be a foreigner and it will be all over for Barry.


39 posted on 05/18/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Steelfish

If Ken Bennett wants to see Obama’s birth certificate, let him watch www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8GWqsodYA and then e-mail attorney@stephenpidgeon.com or communicate the old-fashioned way:
Old Federal Building
3002 Colby Avenue, Suite 306
Everett, Washington 98201
(425) 605-4774 (tel)
425)818-5371 (fax)
stephen.pidgeon@comcast.net

Mr. Pidgeon found that BHO had a name change from Barak Mounir Ubayd to Barack Hussein Obama, in Skookumchuck, Canada in 1982. How could Obama be born in Hawaii and have a name change in the Canadian Rockies? Do you think that the Ayers family which was sponsoring Obama as a foreign student chose Skookumchuck because they thought nobody would every find it? Open up your eyes, America!


47 posted on 05/21/2012 7:48:13 AM PDT by gethimoutofthehouse
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