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To: expat2

Nah - not required.

A couple of facts for EMP generated by Nuclear devices in the atmosphere. According to an Air Force officer who gave a talk some 30 years ago - you can expect to see something like 30KV/m2 from DC to many Ghz. The pulse will be several nanoseconds in duration.

The officer wasn’t sure ANYTHING would be sufficient to shield against such a pulse.

That being said - from some other things I’ve read/heard - you aren’t going to have any significant effect on a magnetic field. A professor in EE told me about his brother having a contract to create the equivalent to a Faraday cage for Magnetic fields from the Navy. The brother set up an experiment where he created a Mu-metal cage around a detector on the theory that the cage would route the field around the detector. He placed a record player with a bar-magnet 100 feet away. Real nice sine-wave detected inside said cage... so much for Mu Metal..


28 posted on 05/15/2012 3:12:50 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

If you were to discover a way to shield against a magnetic field you could use that tech to quickly create a magnetic perpetual motion machine.

This means that magnetic shielding is impossible.

Gravity based perpetual motion machines are also impossible because there is no such thing as a gravity shield.

Magnetism and gravity can only be negated by another magnetic or gravity field...at least in a Newtonian universe. :-)


35 posted on 05/15/2012 5:15:16 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: fremont_steve; RFEngineer
A bit of a dichotomy.

You say even mu-metal wouldn't work, but RFEngineer says even steel is good enough to work. One of you is clearly wrong (or both). However, I think that you are probably correct. A high-current pulse with a very short pulse-length is bound to produce a very high magnetic field.

42 posted on 05/15/2012 6:00:52 PM PDT by expat2
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To: fremont_steve

The unclassified EMP states up to 50,000 V/m from about 5kHz to 1GHz

The pulse rise time is about a nanosecond (that’s where the top end 1 GHz comes from)

“The officer wasn’t sure ANYTHING would be sufficient to shield against such a pulse.”

Steel will do it - low frequency permeability ducts magnetic flux around the shield. At higher frequencies it’s conductive enough to suffice.

“The brother set up an experiment where he created a Mu-metal cage around a detector on the theory that the cage would route the field around the detector.”

Not at the very low frequencies, low magnitudes involved in your described test scenario - the low-level magnetic pulse will blow through the shielding because there isn’t enough magnetization energy. This is a big problem for sensitive instruments such as newer electron microscopes.

At even slightly higher frequencies, passive eddy current shielding works very well for magnetic fields (such as 60Hz)


44 posted on 05/15/2012 6:02:04 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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