Posted on 04/26/2012 6:34:54 AM PDT by MichCapCon
Terri List says she would tell her students not to become a teacher in Michigan.
Why?
One of the reasons is because the Saginaw Township Community School District English teacher won’t be able to retire at age 47 as she has hoped.
List was highlighted by the Michigan Education Association as one of the critics of Senate Bill 1040, which would require public school employees to contribute at least 5 percent of their compensation to their retirement plan.
The MEA reported on its website: "Saginaw Township teacher Terry (sic) List had hoped to retire in the next three years when she was 47 years old. That wouldn’t be possible under SB 1040. List would have to work another 16 years to be eligible for health benefits."
“By the time I’m 60, I would have put in 43 years of service, earning a salary at the top of the pay scale. How does that save the district money? You could hire two people for the cost of one and encourage young people to join the profession. Right now, I would not recommend to my pupils to become a teacher in Michigan.”
List didn’t respond to an email seeking comment.
According to the school’s most recent teacher’s contract, List earns between $70,000 and $80,000 a year depending upon her level of education. Factor in expected pay raises over the next 15 years and it’s likely List would make more than $90,000 by the time she retires, said Michael Van Beek, education policy director at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.
Van Beek estimated List’s pension would be $60,000 a year in retirement and it would increase 3 percent a year and she would get health benefits when she retired at age 60. Van Beek also said that it is likely that List bought “years of service” because she said she would have 43 years of service by age 60. Van Beek said that practice is basically extinct in the private sector.
Leon Drolet, chairman of the Michigan Taxpayers Alliance, called List’s comments “amazing.”
“Wow. They have reached the politicians’ level of entitlement,” Drolet said. “She thinks she is entitled to retire at 47? Holy smokes. I don’t know what more to say to that. A government employee thinking that 47 is a reasonable expectation to retire shows just how deep inside their own bubble they live, insulated from the real world.”
Charles Owens, president of the Michigan chapter of the National Federation of Independent Business, said tongue-in-cheek that List was “spot on” in her complaint.
“If you want to retire if you are 47, apparently teaching is not the place to go,” Owens said. “The least Terri could do is provide a list of places other people could go so they can retire when they are 47.”
So what’s stopping her? Or does she want the taxpayers to pay for it?
Perfect. And the fact that the article lets this dolt get away with that ridiculous statement is indicative of just how doomed we are.
She started teaching at 17? 60 - 43 = 17. Is she an inner city math department head?
“Maybe she’ll get hit by a pony?”
Maybe she will be bitten by a pony.
“If you want to retire if you are 47, apparently teaching is not the place to go,” Owens said. “The least Terri could do is provide a list of places other people could go so they can retire when they are 47.”
Army, Air Force. Navy or Marines. Of course, we do have our standards...
I just love this comment.... politicians’ level of entitlement,”
So truthful...
“Maybe she’ll get hit by a pony?”
Maybe she will be bitten by a pony.
Maybe she will be cr@pped on by a pony.
Poor poor terri. What a bleeding shame.
and for her 60,000 pension for the next 40 years or so a fund of about $1,500,000 would have to be set aside or the equivalent PV (sure she has no idea what that is) in taxes would have to be paid by people working to support her.
She has no idea what she costs. She sure isn’t worth much though.
I think that means, "If you want to retire at 47, start a company that produces something people want and need and manage it well." The problem with that when applied to most of the active teachers (who all insist on being called "educators" for some reason) I know is that not a one of them is capable of starting and running a company or doing much of anything else.
Were it not for tenure, many of the "educators" I know would applying for unemployment benefits.
There are a few other categories. US Foreign Service. Air traffic controllers.
I think that’s about it.
Army, Air Force. Navy or Marines. Of course, we do have our standards
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AMEN!!!!!
But, then again, some people are born to Biatch, others Biatch ALL the time, then you have a combination of both.
My ex wife (43 yrs) has run into a so called ‘problem’ that is made for and designed for people like her.
When going to grandkids baseball games the local area(s) allow Seniors in for free (only a $5 charge but still, free is free).
I normally (jokingly) make a statement like “You aren’t going to charge me are you?” get a laugh and an ‘OF Course not’ and I will quip back - “Well you are welcome for thanking me for my service” and go about my business.
The ex won’t ask or ‘remind’ them that she is pushing 70 - NO she doesn’t look anywhere near 60 - so she gets to gripe that she has to pay etc.
That said, IF ‘they’ were to ‘ASK’ her if she were a SR, the “Well, the nerve of them” comes rolling out.
SO, she has the perfect storm and a built in Biatch at least twice a week.
More than a few of the ‘ticket takers’ have told me that they are subject to ‘verbal abuse’ etc when they ‘assume’ one is a Senior so they tend to let the people inform her, no matter how ‘obvious’....
Oh, one of my responses when I have to point it out is
“You must be running for office to assume I am not 60”.
She started teaching at age 17? Or maybe she started working for the school district at that age.
Maybe she’ll get kicked by a pony. I’ll volunteer.
Back when I worked in local city government, I had an employee that bragged about being able to retire at 50, with 30 years of service, and he had it all planned out. When his time got short he chose to call in sick 3 days week to burn that accrual bank down and did the same with his vacation bank, so he was generally only “at work” one day a week. This went on for about 4 months and because of the union there was no way to stop it. His days finally ended and he went “laughing” out the door at the rest of us poor working stiffs.
Then reality sat in. Although he was entitled to 60% of his highest 2 year average salary, he failed to understand that for every year prior to 65 they deduct 2% so his retirement went from $27K/year to $18,900. Plus since he also had no medical and he was about 5’5” 300lb with Type 1 diabetes and heart problems it cost him $1,500 month for insurance. So his net pension was $900/ year!
After about 2 years the department was hiring new staff he came in to me and asked if he could come back. I ran him out of my office and told him never darken my door again. Last I heard he is driving long haul trucks…
Can someone retired from the military explain how this works? How many active years do you need to give, before you can retire, and immediately begin receiving your military pension? I think the military has also shifted to more of a self-funded benefits, where the service member contributes a certain portion of their pay into a savings' program. Is that like a 401(k)?
I have a friend who retired from the Naval Reserves after 22 years, with 6 years active duty. I don't believe he can collect any pension until age 62. The amount is based on some formula of active and reserve years, and actual retirement age.
Retire at 47? Sure! Ms. List should move to Greece.
I am upset that a moose bit my sister.
I am upset that I didn’t read the entire thread before posting.
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