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To: elcid1970

I take it my points on not believing myths passed you by?.

The Govt doesnt regulate kitchen knives!. I think you are confusing them with a group of doctors (who deal with serious knife wounds, remember we kill and maim with knives here as opposed to guns) who argued a couple of years ago for knife licensing and restrictions. They were ignored, but people here seem to think there are restrictions now. The only laws on knives are on the ability of under 16’s to buy them. As has always been the case.

And your hahal point is utter nonsense. British butcher shops do not ‘have to sell’ halal meat. Utter nonsense.

Really, stop believing and repeating myths. Please.

As to self-defence, again, its a myth that Brits arent allowed to defend themselves. People here have focused on a tiny amount of cases where people went beyond the reasonable limits of self-defence (in the courts eyes), like the Muslim man who chased a burglar for a mile, had him held down, and ran over him in his car. Or because it is standard British police practice to ‘arrest’ everyone at the scene of a death during a ‘home invasion’, people here who are American think that means the homeowner isnt allowed to defend themselves. What actually happens is that if a burglar is killed, everyone gets carted off to the police station. WHAT gets ignored here is that in the rare cases where a burglar is killed, the houseowners are usually released within hours as soon as the facts of the case are established.

We British are allowed to defend ourselves. In fact, the laws have been strengthened IN FAVOUR of the homeowner since 2007, and we now have even more leeway in what constitutes self defence. British laws basically allow you carte blanche as long as it was within home boundaries and you had no alternative but to kill him.

As to my own incident, the burglar was a junkie. A WHITE junkie. Your Muslim obsession is bizarre. My junkie burglar probably wouldnt know what a Muslim is. Scum of the lowest order. He got ‘done’ for nine burglaries or attempted burglaries, inc mine, and assault on me and attempted assault on my brother and father. He got 44 months (3yrs 8m) all in.

He is currently on remand for attempted murder, as he was just five weeks out of prison, and he and two mates tried to murder an ‘enemy’ with knives, stabbing the man in the neck. Clearly three and a half years in prison didnt make the idiot think.


36 posted on 04/20/2012 3:01:05 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

I, for one, appreciate the time you’ve taken to give us your first-hand impressions/facts.
Thanks.


44 posted on 04/20/2012 4:07:52 AM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: the scotsman

An interesting discussion. Glad to know you were not harmed by the knifewielding junkie, but it is obvious that in UK the home invaders can safely assume that the resident will have no means of deadly force with which to defend him/herself.

And carting off the whole family of an invaded home where the criminal wound up dead is not presumption of innocence in my view.

Most home robberies here happen to unoccupied homes. Too much chance of a home invader winding up dead otherwise.

Just a reminder, the first shots of the American Revolution were fired in 1775 when British troops sought to confiscate all civilian firearms for the Crown.

Can we at least agree that Britain has a considerable image problem when it comes to crime and/or Muslims? By the way, the Muslim who used his car as a weapon against a burglar has my support, but over here lots of Muslim and Hindu shopkeepers have used firearms to defend themselves to good effect.

And if Mr. Choudary is so marginalized, where are his outspoken Muslim critics? Also, when are the British press going to stop their PC-ridden references to Pakistani yobbos as “Asians”?


45 posted on 04/20/2012 5:06:45 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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