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To: allmendream; metmom
"The people of Dover wanted their children to learn science in science class instead of creationism. This was because they wanted their children prepared to discuss science in college rather than being ignorant of science.

Nope, as I stated, it was out of the embarrassment of two defendants obviously not being forthright.

"From the decision....."

A decision obviously made with the predisposition that what mattered was the false notion that is now law that there is a separation between church and state that goes one way. The judges view on this decision has no merit in fact; (1) - Science up until the 1900's had always recognized God. (2) - The judge ignores the evidence because of his prejudice. (3) - See Expelled: no Intelligence Allowed. The last sentence by the judge is absolutely ludicrous; Newton, Faraday, and even Einstein new that God had a hand in science.

You are the one, like this judge, that is wrong. The only way Evos win is by way of the court and the communist law that deems a separation of church and state on Americans. And like the Communists, progress in science will be slowed because of Evos.

58 posted on 04/18/2012 9:39:15 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak
The only way Evos win is by way of the court and the communist law that deems a separation of church and state on Americans. And like the Communists, progress in science will be slowed because of Evos.

Exactly. The teaching of evolution in schools have been forced on the American people through litigation. And the removal of teaching creation has also been forced on the American people through litigation.

When given a choice, the majority of the parents and students WANT creation taught in public schools.

Forcing parents to pay taxes under threat of jail time to support an education system which they don't approve of, is tyrannical.

59 posted on 04/18/2012 9:45:30 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: celmak
So are you going to admit you were wrong about the Dover case not ruling on the scientific merits of “ID”? It is pretty clear that it did and that your assertions otherwise were completely contrary to fact.

By “not being forthright” you mean lying repeatedly? Amazing what acts people will justify if they think they are doing “the Lord's work” - but who again is the Father of Lies? Whose work did they do when they lied on the stand? They knew they had to lie - because they had become the servant of lies.

Science has no way of recognizing God or any other supernatural causation. Newton when he wrote about theology was a mess - only when he ascribed natural causes to explain natural phenomena did he do anything currently of any use. Faraday was a man of great faith in God, but he never tried to say the electricity was too complex to understand via natural means and that God had to be involved in the “gaps” of our understanding - which is the central argument of “Incompetent Design”. When Faraday contributed to science it was through ascribing and describing natural causes to explain natural phenomena.

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were Communists?

They believed in a “Wall of separation” and “a perfect separation” (respectively) of Church and State - and Madison wrote the 1st Amendment based upon that belief and the Statute of Religious Freedom written by Jefferson.

The way science wins is in the real world of ideas.

No oil company is interested in hiring a “creation geologist”. No biotech firm is interested in hiring a “creation biologist”. That is because in the free market of ideas where things are judged on their merits and ability to produce useful results - creationism has been found wanting while science has been found to be amazingly productive.

60 posted on 04/18/2012 11:03:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: celmak
The only way Evos win is by way of the court and the communist law that deems a separation of church and state on Americans. And like the Communists, progress in science will be slowed because of Evos.

Right. "separation of church and state" and "seperation of school and church" comes from the Soviet constitution. Which of course evolutionists happily embrace.

Here is more on communism, darwinism, atheism:

Science for the Workers
Rationalism, Communism, Darwinism
Rationalist Press Association
In Defense of the Communists (Clarence Darrow)
Karl Marx (JBS Haldane)
In Defense of Lysenko (Haldane)

80 posted on 04/19/2012 9:53:54 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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