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To: Tailgunner Joe
If the evidence doesn't convince you then I certainly cannot.

I did not appeal to the authority of the Pope to declare evolution true - I used him as a contrary example to the formulation that one cannot accept evolution and be a Christian.

I point out that most creationists ALSO believe in speciation - when they need to - and with dramatic speed and power. That is also not to support my acceptance of evolution - but to point out how rare it is to encounter someone so blind to reality that they deny speciation.

Just because something looks like something else doesn't mean they are related - but endogenous retroviarl sequence patterns provide a ton of evidence that they either are or are not closely related. That is how ignorant you are of modern biology - you think we are still looking at morphology? Ridiculous!

Contrary to your statement otherwise it is obvious that you are unfamiliar with science, evolution and biology.

Would you listen to a non-mechanic telling you that an internal combustion engine cannot provide the necessary power to propel you 60 mph? As such I take any advice from you about the utility of biological evolution - words unbacked by knowledge and unaware of the reality of the situation. In other words - worthless.

Change is inevitable - therefore evolution is inevitable. What is going to stop it? What would stop a 2% change in genetic DNA from accumulating in two separate populations over several million years?

That is like proposing that two groups that speak the same language will still speak the same language after being separated for a thousand years. Bloody hell mate, we hardly even speak the same language as the English after a couple hundred years and a ton of traffic between we and them.

119 posted on 04/23/2012 6:28:10 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Change is inevitable - therefore evolution is inevitable.

That about sums it up. That is exactly the non-sequitur fallacy that your belief system is predicated upon.

You called me a liar but yes I studied biology and evolution in college, so yes I know very well the weaknesses of the discredited theory of evolution and I know the very good reasons to be skeptical of Darwinism and Darwinists. I also studied logic.

You want to just wave your hand and say that your theory MUST be true because it INEVITABLE! That's not science or reason, it's fanaticism.

133 posted on 04/23/2012 6:51:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: allmendream
If the evidence doesn't convince you then I certainly cannot.

The wall we run up against here is that the charlatans who sell young-earth creationism insist, as one of their selling points, that science and religion are incompatible and mutually exclusive. For someone who has swallowed that line, accepting that the evidence underpinning science is real means abandoning the promise of redemption and eternal life. The Pope himself has pointed out that there is no incompatibility between being a Christian and being a scientist, and he is a lot more credible than charlatans like Gish and his ilk...

I point out that most creationists ALSO believe in speciation - when they need to - and with dramatic speed and power.

Whenever I engage in these debates, I try to make it very clear that I am only addressing the issue of young-earth creationism, which I also call literal creationism.

I have no argument with any creationist who says that God created the universe through the mechanism of the big bang, 14 billion or so years ago, and at that time formulated all of the physical laws which make it possible for life to exist.

140 posted on 04/24/2012 3:49:54 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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