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To: IbJensen

I remain skeptical of a Kenyan birth - assuming that any of the supposed timeline events of 1960 through 1962 are correct. The logistics - again assuming August 4th was an actual birthdate are daunting.

But that does not say that Obama was not a pure Kenyan at one time. But that time would have been 1971 during the great family gathering of the Dunhams/Soetoros/Obamas where Obama Senior parentage was likely used to extract Obama II out of Indonesia without citizenship and guardianship entanglements.

As August 1968 Obama II was likely legally considered an Indonesian citizen - both in Indonesia and the US. He was specifically removed from his mothers passport - and no sign that that he acquired his own US passport in August 1968 exists. So why was this needed? By 1968 - almost a year after the arrival of Stanley Ann and Obama II in Indonesia the family is all considered Indonesian citizens within Indonesia.

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html

Notice Article 7 paragraph 2 from above:

“(2)With the exception as mentioned in para 1 the foreign woman who marries a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia also acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia one year after the marriage has been contracted, if within that one year her husband does not make a statement as to release his citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.”

Lets isolate the key part:

“...the foreign woman who marries a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia also acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia one year after the marriage has been contracted...”

Now Lolo and SAD/O/S got married in March of 1965. Had they been in Indonesia all the time SAD/O/S becomes an Indonesian citizen AUTOMATICALLY as of March 1966. Obviously with two citizen parents - Obama is also clearly (and likely solely) an Indonesian citizen in both the eyes of the US government and Indonesian government.

Maybe this 1 years period did not kick in until mother and child show up in Indonesia in late 1967 after the US installs a new government in Indonesia replacing the communist regime. If the ‘1 year’ started when the arrived then in mid-1968 SAD needs to get her citizenship status updated to retain both US and Indonesian citizenship. She ‘cleans up’ her US passport by renewing it AND removing Obama in August 1968. She likely aquires an Indonesian passport around this time as well since legally - in Indonesia - she is an Indonesian citizen through marriage - automatically. Obama is no longer on SAD/O/S’s passport. He likely aquires an Indonesian passport as well as the child of 2 Indonesian Citizens. So in 1968, 1969, 1970 and at least into late 1971 - Obama is likely not at all a US citizen legally.

In December of 1971 he moves back to Hawaii. Not an easy task. He is now an Indonesian child of what Indonesia considers 2 Indonesian parents. But Madelyn and Gramps probably do not want to raise an Indonesian child in the US. So how do you nullify the Indonesian citizenship AND SAD/O/S’s guardian ship to break all ties to Indonesia for Obama II? With his (legally accepted) birth father.

From link above:

“Article 17.
The citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia is lost because of:

...

c.being recognized by an alien as his/her child if the person concerned has not reached the age of 18 and is not married yet and does not become stateless with the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia;”

To ‘cleanly’ get Obama out of Indonesia Obama senior was needed to execute the clause 17(c) above.

This would have made Obama II a Kenyan citizen at this point. Likely in December of 1971. As such - even if he was not actually born in Kenya he would like have citizenship records with the Republic of Kenya.

As a footnote...

Anyone remember Emanual’s ‘family safari’ to Kenya in December of 2008?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/emanuel-heads-to-africa-a_n_153096.html

They even used Blago as cover...

A Jewish family whose father is one of the most anti-gun people in politics going on ‘safari’. Really? Emanual may have been hunting...but he was likely hunting documents not animals.


34 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:57 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

There’s no other reason for the Dunhams to put Sr. up and foot his bills for a month or even him coming back for a month and staying in their apt. building for anything other than some sort of legal paperwork regarding citizenship and adoption. Who knows how many passports and names he used during his oh so secret college days.


41 posted on 04/11/2012 10:27:20 AM PDT by bgill
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