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To: Dilbert San Diego
(1) We've gone over the 'secret witness' bit several times. He's simply UNNAMED, not 'secret' since others have gone to his home and talked to him through his door.

(2) He didn't say he saw how it started ~ just that when he first saw it the guy with the red was on the bottom.

(3) Last, Leftwingtards AND Conservatives got very interested in this case this last week when the Sanford cops released the 911 recordings that are relevant to the situation.

Several reasons for why there are few witnesses ~

(1) It was a dark and rainy night.

(2) It was about 60 degrees ~ cool enough that Floridians think you should go indoors or something ~ not at all understandable in the NORTH and

(3) I believe there were some serious basketball games that evening ~ which is why 17 year old Trayvon Martin decided to go buy Skittles and some iced tea at a nearby convenience store (tea for his 13 year old step brother). NOTE: Best anyone can tell Trayvon was a highschool football player, not a basketball player.

Trayvon was supposedly on the phone the whole time with his girlfriend back in Miami. The family lawyer says he has the phone logs ~ and there's a claim the cops have the same phone logs. Nobody is saying that the cops have Trayvon's phone although there are some tv spots about why they didn't use that phone (if they had it) to contact his family.

You will need to follow the 911 calls carefully to understand this story. At some point Zimmerman saw Martin and began following him in his pickup truck. Martin was on foot. His girlfriend claims that Martin observed Zimmerman following him. His girlfriend claims she told Martin to run. Zimmerman says Martin ran. He, in turn, got out of his truck and began tracking Martin on foot. The 911 dispatcher told him he didn't need to do that.

We do not know when Zimmerman pulled his gun ~ nor do we know how far away he was from Martin when he fired. Such things have not been revealed.

55 posted on 03/24/2012 5:41:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
(3) I believe there were some serious basketball games that evening ~ which is why 17 year old Trayvon Martin decided to go buy Skittles and some iced tea at a nearby convenience store (tea for his 13 year old step brother). NOTE: Best anyone can tell Trayvon was a highschool football player, not a basketball player.

I don't know where the story about the younger soon-to-be step-brother came from. In Martin's father's version of that night, Trayvon was not home when he returned, but he wasn't too worried because Trayvon had been spending time with an older cousin. If there was a 13-year-old in the house waiting for candy, you would think that would have come up. You would think the younger boy might have observed all the emergency vehicles outside earlier, too. I conclude from this that there was no younger boy in the house. That is a deduction, not an assumption, if you're keeping score at home.)

Martin definitely did not have a younger brother of his own. His mother told ABC News that he was her youngest. The NBA All-Star Game was on that evening. Tip-off was seven minutes after Martin was pronounced dead at the scene. Yet other stories persist that he went out during halftime for the Skittles.

In other words, there are a whole lot of things that keep getting repeated in story after story, even though (as in the case of the Skittles) many would be utterly irrelevant, even if they were true.

68 posted on 03/24/2012 6:17:18 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: muawiyah
At some point Zimmerman saw Martin and began following him in his pickup truck. Martin was on foot. His girlfriend claims that Martin observed Zimmerman following him. His girlfriend claims she told Martin to run. Zimmerman says Martin ran. He, in turn, got out of his truck and began tracking Martin on foot. The 911 dispatcher told him he didn't need to do that.

Martin's girlfriend said he told her somebody was following him. She told him to run. He said he wasn't going to run, just walk fast. A little later, she heard Martin say, "Why are you following me?", and another voice asked "What are you doing around here?" Then there was a scuffle, and the call dropped. The call ended at 7:12 pm, and the cops arrived at 7:17 to find Martin dead.

We do not know when Zimmerman pulled his gun ~ nor do we know how far away he was from Martin when he fired. Such things have not been revealed.

Earlier there was an article posted by Massad Ayoob, a well-known firearms and self-defense instructor. He reports that the condition of the gun is consistent with a struggle over it:

The death weapon was a Kel-Tec PF9 semiautomatic 9mm pistol. It has been reported that the gun was recovered with a full magazine and that only the chambered round had been fired. This is a condition we associate with something preventing the gun from cycling a fresh round from the magazine into the chamber after the shot was discharged. One thing that can cause that is another man’s hand wrapped around the pistol, retarding its slide mechanism. This would indicate, as could certain gunshot residue patterns or cuts in certain places if found on Trayvon Martin’s hand(s), that a struggle for a gun was taking place when the fatal shot was fired.

69 posted on 03/24/2012 6:20:15 PM PDT by cynwoody
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