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To: egfowler3
So, do I have it right, on the return to America there would have been preliminary paperwork which fixed Obama as a "citizen-alien" with the expectation that his mother would have filled out additional paperwork to acquire citizenship status? I would assume that the citizenship status would come not contemporaneously but at some later date?

Would the subsequent paperwork be automatic or would it require input from Obama' s mother to move the matter along. I tend to agree with your belief that she probably did not move the matter along, preferring instead to make an end run through Hawaii system not just for political reasons but because it was easier, cheaper, and quicker.Further, as I understand it,Barack Obama would not have been automatically entitled to citizenship so the Hawaii option would have been even more attractive.

As I understand it, according to today's revelation, Obama would have entered the country in Massachusetts and one would expect that at that airport some sort of paperwork would have been generated. What kind? In the normal course, what would've happened to it? If the files have been laundered by Obama's agents, would they know enough to go after this document?

I further assume that the provisional document generated in Massachusetts probably was not placed into the Hawaiian archive. My guess is that the grandparents generated a certificate of live birth on their own affidavit or application.

Does this make sense from your personal knowledge?


196 posted on 03/24/2012 11:51:18 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Like I said to the Missus when I read my reply out loud to her...

Assume you were speading down the highway and were pulled over by the hiway patrol. The officer issues the ticket like one would expect with the admonitions that accompany it. Up to here we are going with what one would expect.

Now, continue the assumption with a modification to what happens next. The officer just files away his book of tickets on returning to the station. Nothing else, just files it away in a box or whatever. No one else sees it, reads it or even gets to act on it. Oh, maybe someone finds it or otherwise acquires it and uses the info in it to prepare statistics and such but it never goes on to generate court action for fines and all.

Back to you in the car, you forget or decide to ignore it. What will happen? Nothing.

The INS seems to require JQ Public just do as told. Otherwise we wouldn’t have such a problem with aliens here in the USA that have just skipped out on whatever they should do to leave the country, extend their visas, or whatever. In all likelihood she could ignore what she was told and who would know?

To directly answer your question, my folks had to follow up on my brother’s paperwork. I was only in the second grade at the time and, being a typical boy, only interested in the moment. My mom told me details later in life as I followed up on our family tree regarding my baby brother. She dug up the paperwork to show me and they did have to do it themselves. There was no outside prompting that it be done.

So, if it wasn’t done for ‘O’, he would actually still be a native of Kenya—assuming he was actually born there. However, due to the laws of HI as we know them to exist in the ‘60s, anyone from any country could apply for and receive HI residency and subsequent US citizenship at the time he (Obama) was born.

You know, I hate to think that that might be the flaw in this whole mess. Maybe someone needs to look at the HI territorial to statehood laws and all to determine whether such could happen? Could a resident at that time become NBC simply by being a resident or being declared born there? Is there a law that should have been cut out but was overlooked and affects this?

Scary thought!


210 posted on 03/24/2012 1:30:10 PM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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