Posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
........I do believe we should pursue a course that is most likely to get the outcome we all desire.....
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El Kabong, what do you think “the outcome we all desire” is? Just curious.
This story creates more questions than it answers. It says Barack Sr. contributed $300 for Omar’s travel expenses. This goes against the idea that Barack Sr. was a broke college student who couldn’t afford to go back to Kenya. Second, it says, “Omar was directed to Browne & Nichols, a prestigious private boys school, by Ellen Frost, a friend of the elder Barack’s whose father was the preparatory school’s treasurer.” How did they have the money to send this kid to a private boy’s school in the early 1960s?? And then if the place was “often churning with visiting Kenyan students,” it seems the INS records would show a lot more aliens embarking from Kenya.
Maybe I'm misreading this, but doesn't this suggest that Omar didn't come to the U.S. until 1963 (from page 5 of the story)??
Mboya was an ardent advocate of education and the organizer of the famed airlifts of young Kenyans to the United States that had brought Obama to Boston, according to a list of the 1963 airlift participants in Mboya’s records at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, Calif.
the team at WTPOTUS blog have asked similar questions...
“...One wonders, considering that Barack Hussein Obama (the first) was nearly destitute while living in Hawaii, according to his immigration records, how his half-brother could afford such a pricey school.
Ruth Beatrice Baker, soon to be the next wife of BHO Sr., was said to be well off, which was part of her appeal, according to friends who knew Obama Sr. at the time.
Did Ruth pay Omar’s tuition? The school’s website notes that tuition for grades 9 through 12 is today a whopping $36,600!
Did Mboya fund his education? Who had that kind of money in 1963? Why didn’t he graduate? How has he managed to avoid deportation all these years?
While at Browne and Nichols, Omar played varsity soccer and belonged to the debate club and the newspaper club. Sounds familiar. Was he also an up and coming rising Obama star (without papers)?
Jacobs later reports that in fall of 1965, Omar attended public high school in Newton, Massachusetts, implying in so many words that this was Newton High. She wrote that John R. Williams, who worked at the International Marketing Institute in Cambridge, where BHO Sr. had also worked, “sponsored” Omar and that Mr. Williams’s son attended Newton High. What exactly does “sponsor” mean? Did he vouch for Omar so that he could remain in the USA, because BHO Sr. had already been sent back to Kenya, soon to be followed by Ruth Baker?
Jacobs reports that in 1971, when BHO Sr. returned to the USA, he hung out with Omar at his Perry St. (Cambridge) home, as did Auntie Zeituni, when she was in town. 1971 is the year that Uncle Omar wrote his letter to the editor of Ebony.
A Harvard grad student, Achola Pala Okeyo, called hanging at Omar’s a “rite of passage” for any Kenyan student in Boston.
Interestingly enough, Jacobs reports right there in her recently published book that Omar lives with other Kenyans in Framingham. He declined her request for an interview. Why couldn’t ICE find him, if Sally Jacobs could?
When will our lamestream media do their jobs? When will they answer all of these unanswered questions, not only about Uncle Omar, but also about his half-nephew?
Who are these people? Why are they here? How did they get here? Where are their papers? And why do they get pass after pass from our officials, our government, our media?
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/onyango-obama-uncle-omar-reappears/
their entire research on the topic of Omar is worth reading, much hangs on the recently released book by Sally Jacobs, SHE apparently had the kenyan’s UNREDACTED INS documents for TWO YEARS.
I have seen NOTHING which conclusively shows when Omar arrived in the US, and suggesting that Mboya paid for the young man’s high school education is a huge stretch imo.
If you look a little deeper into the subject of the AASF you will find that Cora Weiss held the purse strings of that organisation.
The BOAC World Air Routes map, published April 24, 1960 is linked below:
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ba60/ba60-13.jpg
The facts presented in the article do NOT support their return trip by air to the USA via London, New York and San Francisco, except with some difficulty and required explanation by the author.
The facts released indicate that neither BHO Sr. nor either of Ann's parents were likely present at the birth of BHO-II at the CPGH in Mombasa.
The data showing that a COC (Certificate of Citizenship) was granted for one (1) alien during the time period, July 1, 1961 to December 31, 1961, embarking from a very large area in Africa, though not strong, DOES at least support the possibility that BHO-II was born in Kenya.
A proposed BHO-II NATIVITY TIMELINE , which I believe shows the major events occurring during the time period surrounding the birth of BHO-II in Kenya, is presented below:
Early November 1960: Ann Dunham becomes pregnant while a student at the University of Hawaii.
February 2, 1961: Ann Dunham, now about 3 months pregnant, and BHO Sr. the claimed father, allegedly are married on Maui.
Sometime in the approximate time period 2/2/1961 (marriage date) and 4/10/1961 (INS memo date): Ann and BHO Sr. attempt to make arrangements with the Salvation Army in Hawaii for the baby to be placed for adoption. ( http://www.wnd.com/2011/11/365749/ ) Apparently, the attempt to place the baby up for adoption in Hawaii was not successful.
Sometime in the approximate time period, March 1961 to April 1961: Ann, pregnant and now embarrassingly starting to show it, departs ALONE from Hawaii, via passenger cruise SHIP, and slowly heads across the ocean toward Kenya, with the intent of giving the baby to the Kenyan relatives of BHO Sr. for adoption. An extended sea voyage by Ann to Kenya, starting in the Spring of 1961, would help explain why there have not been any photos of her, while pregnant in Hawaii, publicly released.
August 4, 1961: BHO-II is born at the CPGH in Mombasa. Neither BHO Sr nor either one of Ann's parents are present at the birth. BHO Sr's relatives choose not to adopt BHO-II so Ann had no choice but to return with him to the USA. It is also possible, but less likely that Ann, feeling very maternal after the birth, decides to forget about any pre-arranged adoption with the relatives and chooses to keep her new baby son.
Mid to late August, 1961: Ann, BHO-II and possibly an American Christian Missionary who may have accompanied them, depart from Nariobi, Kenya and fly, via BOAC, first to London, and then to Vancouver, Canada.
Mid to late August, 1961: Ann and BHO-II travel the approximate 141 miles via ground transportation from Vancouver to Seattle, Washington, where Ann starts night school extension courses at the University of Washington for the Fall 1961 Semester.
as usual, the records for that one child are probably (1) lost, (2) accidentally deleted or (3) no certificate was ever issued for that period.
excellent article though. definitely hope arpaio is on this trail.
A Republican in the white house, with corresponding congressional majorities.
What is it you’re after?
I don’t mind being sniffed, but even conservatives can have reasonable disagreements about the “evidence” suggesting Obama is somehow not eligible to be the president. The fact of the matter is that he is the president.
My concern is much more with how we change that particular fact next November than with an increasingly marginalized argument about his birth certificate that gets absolutely no traction from the wider populace.
If you want to chase Obama’s birth records as a hobby, more power to you.
I’m more interested in working for his return to private life.
“A Republican in the white house, with corresponding congressional majorities.
What is it you’re after?”
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You said — WE ALL want “A Republican in the white house, with corresponding congressional majorities.”
That MAY be true, but your post history does not yet support that YOU want that. Your post history DOES however support your desire that the circumstances surrounding Obama’s birth and citizenship NOT BE PURSUED.
You asked — “What is it you’re after?”
Well, I’d like to see a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN as President along with CONSERVATIVE LED Republican majorities in both the House & the Senate.
At first glance, based on recent revelation of INS reports/tables I think your possible itinerary and timeline of events is very plausible.
I do believe if Obie did get a COC he somehow lost it possibly through adoption by Lolo. Since Hawaii is obviously hiding facts of his birth (maybe just the adoption, maybe birth outside the US) along with a likely chueco social security card and draft registration that he had some trouble with proving his citizenship.
Couple that with Stanley Anns missing passport records and missing National Archives records and parts of a possible puzzle fit. I still think it is possible that Madelyn Dunham accompanied Stanley Ann on her return trip, taking a week or two off work to be with the new mother and baby. It would not surprise me. It is also possible Stanley Ann left Kenya before having the baby and had it in Vancouver Canada..
I am on the fence as to a real cause of Breitbart’s death. However, it is very disconcerting to me that the apparent successor came out so fast and stated there would be no presentations as to ‘birther’ questions when in fact there was an outpouring of new information as to very possible activities of mama Stanley and travels to Kenya. This coupled with info that Breitbart had been talking with Sheriff Joe’s people makes the death more intriguing. It wouldn’t be the first time a mole e.g. Judas and Arnold as well as the plethora of communists that were involved in atomic secrets did inside work. This another case where the whole truth will need time.
And zero’s ‘birth certificate’ states he was born in August 1961, so it must be true...
I’m going with the ‘initially he (Barack Hussein Obama) lived with his brother when he arrived in Cambridge’ and that indicates that Omar was there when the kenyan commenced Harvard in September, 1962.
Cora Weiss can tell Sally Jacobs anything she likes, she’s already lied once, why should we believe her? Sally sat on the unredacted INS documents for two years(and still has not released them.)
Cora held the purse-strings for the AASF, Mboya was not the sponsor of the kenyan, his first sponsor was Elizabeth Mooney of the Laubach Org.
There never appears to have been any clear connection between the kenyan and Mboya - and why Mboya would use the precious funds of the AASF to send a youth to a private high school in the US is incomprehensible.
Omar MAY have arrived in 1963, but before I accept any more lies from the ‘experts’ I think it needs to be SHOWN by documented evidence...WHEN.
For legible images:
First image was a sample of a citizenship certificate, which has been taken down at this writing.
image #2 Immigrants admitted by country
was 2 different parts of the same page and pasted together. its page 23 other African and the united kingdom line from 1962 report.
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/99/mode/1up
image #3
pg 99 (1962 report) Citizenship Acquired
and page 93 of the 1961 report http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1961unit#page/93/mode/1up
Image #4
1961 book again pg 68 and 71, tables 31 and 32 arrivals and departures
Image #5
Ann Dunham’s arrival pink card
Image #6
1962 book cover and closeup of the seal
Image # 7 Admitted and Departed by birth
table 2 pg 19 (1962)
Image #8 (1962)
pg 77 departures
pg 74 arrivals
Image #9 (1961)
table 31 pg 68 again
image # 10 (1962)
pg 74 again
by air: 7 US citizens left the US to Kenya before June 30, 1961. 1 alien returned to the US from Kenya after Jul 1, 1961.
1 alien acquired citizenship from a US citizen parent at birth from Africa in 1961.
problem- infants don’t fly alone.
I’m just saying that I was reading along and hit this comment by you. I didn’t see the name of the commenter yet, but I knew it was you because (1) you have the facts and (2) as always, you make perfect sense and use perfect logic. :) Hey!
As we’ve discussed, those codes handwritten on the certificates are keypunch codes. The codes were used to classify information for statistical reports. Daily Pen is confusing how certain births were COUNTED in statistical reports with what was placed on the birth certificate. This is like how they statistically “correct” the census after the fact. The place of birth would be correctly noted on the birth certificate. But as we’ve learned, even if a person was not born in Hawaii, Hawaiian might, depending upon circumstances, issue a birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii. A foundling, for example. Or a record generated upon the filing of an affidavit, claiming a home birth.
“...with an increasingly marginalized argument about his birth certificate that gets absolutely no traction from the wider populace.” -EKB
Have you even seen the cold case posse press release? Increasingly marginalized, are you nuts?
The story seems to have immediately attracted your attention, and you seem to be new to this board, with its multitude of topics. Not interesting - really? Do tell.
You are not very convincing innocent noob. In the rare case that they do show up, they lurk first, read what interests them, and then post.
They *DO NOT* jump into a long standing FR topic and start telling people to move along. It just makes no sense.
Whew! I was afraid you were going to say you knew it was me because it was long and windy. And I wouldn’t have blamed you one bit if you had said it. lol. But you’re too gracious for that. Thanks for seeing the glass half full. =)
Right. There were state statistics that the HDOH was responsible to compile. Incidentally, a colleague requested to see those and was told they were not available to the public, IIRC.
The HDOH tried to claim to me that the original birth index (VR-1) that was required to be permanently retained was actually these IBM punchcards that they used for tabulation purposes, and that they were destroyed because they weren’t needed once the records were computerized. IOW, they are claiming that the only record they had of where the actual BC’s were located was IBM punchcards. At least that’s how I remember it. I’ve tried to find that e-mail but my computer has been hit and I’ve had to switch to a different computer so many times that my records are all over the place and that particular e-mail is in a zip file within a DBX file that I can’t either open or unzip.
Regarding BC’s based on affidavits, the inspector general for the HHS issued a report saying that home births or BC’s given on the basis of affidavits are the especially vulnerable spot in our records keeping, because a person can lie about anything in an affidavit.
The HDOH claimed to Lori Starfelt (or at least Starfelt claimed that they did) that if it’s an unattended birth the mother and baby have to be examined by a doctor who then signs the BC. The CDC classified its “unattended births” by those who didn’t have a doctor’s signature, IIRC - so that even if the birth happened outside the hospital with nobody there it would be considered an “attended birth” if it had a doctor’s signature - which the HDOh told Starfelt they had to have. I’m not sure what it means, then, that HI had some unattended births according to the CDC’s 1961 report.
Maybe it means that those BC’s were accepted on the basis of affidavits rather than a doctor’s signature within 30 days (which is what the HDOH rules gave as a timeframe for when BC’s had to be fully completed without being considered “delayed”).
All things considered, it does make my eyebrow go up to realize that former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama affirmed the HDOH’s DENIAL OF ACCESS to Miss Tickly’s request for affidavits filed in support of any birth certificate for Obama. Tsukiyama literally wrote the book on the rules for responding to UIPA requests and knows that if the records don’t exist they have to say so. His affirmation of the denial of access is a strong statement that Obama’s BC (if there is one) relies on affidavits rather than a doctor’s signature on a BC filed within 30 days of the birth.
And that fits right in with Fukino’s statement in an interview that Obama’s birth record is half-typed, half-handwritten. It also fits what Abercrombie said about not being to find anything in the hospitals and about something being “actually written down” that would not convince any skeptics.
If such a thing happened, it would explain why Obama’s people had to forge both a long-form AND THE COLB: even though a COLB wouldn’t give the doctor’s name, the BC# would have an L in front of it (for “late”), and the BC would have to say on its face what affidavits were used to support the claims, and when they were filed. Such a BC is not considered prima facie evidence.
And the key here is that such a BC would only be necessary if neither Ann nor Obama were seen by a Hawaii doctor within the first 30 days after birth. Which also fits the scenario of Ann being in Seattle so soon. If she had been in HI anytime in August 1961 (as Abercrombie has claimed)she could have claimed the baby was born at home, had a doctor examine her and the baby within 30 days and sign the BC, and we could have a foreign-born POTUS that nobody could prove otherwise. The mother’s residency needn’t have had anything to do with it.
A poster here on FR is from HI and says he saw people come into Hawaii with their babies and get BC’s in this way. Which leads me to believe that HI must have been very lax with their standards, probably so that they could meet the number of citizens required for statehood (and then later perhaps to get more federal funding). I wish I could remember that person’s handle.
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