Any form of collectivism - ANY - is exactly like bleeding the patient.
Arguing about collectivist forms is like arguing about how fast to bleed the patient, or whether the cuts should be left to get infected, or whether the sick patient should be made to exercise or sleep, etc.
It’s murder. Murder of civilization. And the ONLY reason Leftists discuss it, is to try to find a way to describe it and implement it that people will accept. To find the lie-of-the-day that will work with whatever social group they have to convince to go along with their own destruction.
That’s it. That’s all of it - every shred.
Precisely. What remains will be convergence of The Pakistani-Peruvian axis and the Scandinavian-Slavonic axes - with everything that implies.
Mark my words - the monsters in the White House will turn this country into an abattoir. They will will do it with energy and enthusiasm. There is only one way to stop them.