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1. To think that a postal employee would stamp a legal document with the "19" missing and not correct the mistake immediately by re-stamping the Selective Service form is an insult to postal workers everywhere.

Your post is an insult to forgers everywhere.

The Sheriff's theory is that a forger modified a modern date stamp by cutting off the 20 in 2008, flipping over the 08 to make 80, and reinserting the 80 into the stamp. Supposedly, the culprit lacked a 19, so decided to make do without it.

However, slight problem: The stamp reads USPO along the bottom (hard to read, lousy scan, but you can see it clearly in other stamps from the time). USPO stood for United States Post Office. That was its official name up until 1970, when Congress "privatized" it and renamed it the United States Postal Service (USPS). New stamps all said USPS on the bottom. But they kept using the old ones until they wore out.

Now put yourself in the forger's shoes. He needs a stamp. Either USPO or USPS will do. However, the ones lying around all say USPS and have those pesky 2000's year plugs. Now, he might have got lucky and found an old USPO stamp. But that stamp would obviously have a 19xx year plug, wouldn't it? At worst, he might have had to cut the year off of, say, a 1983 stamp and replace it with a flipped 08 from a current stamp. But, in that case, the 19 would show as it should.

4. Also, show me another Selective Service form where the date of the stamp is EARLIER than the date of the person's signature.

5. Again, if you can't do it, then it means that Obama's Selective Service form is the only one in the universe where the postal date stamp is dated EARLIER than the DATE of the the person's SIGNATURE.

Now you are really grasping at straws. People make date mistakes all the time.

But that stamp would obviously have a 19xx year plug, wouldn’t it?

Wrong, postal service collects all year inserts on 12/31 of year and hands out new ones with the new year on them.
Forger could get the stamper but not the correct inserts..he could have carved one but didn’t, as imperfections would show up, just like the off centering.

Forgers always make mistakes...Show me two other RDS with only 2 digits in the year. Sonoran news got 17 and only one with 2 year digit was Obamas. That statistically is probable cause of a forgery.

Obot fail

“People make date mistakes all the time.”

The list of mistakes when it comes Obama’s records is incredible.

1. 2 digit stamp put into stamp. Even though another stamp on another selective document from the same post office shows the standard 4 digits.

2. The Social Security number with the Connecticut prefix. Supposedly because it is one digit off from Hawaii and the Social Security office made a typo error.

3. The time/date stamp in the EXIF data of the original Fact Check photos of the COLB. Jess Henig and Joe Miller state that the battery failed in the Canon AS570 camera resulting a date that was only 2 day prior to the last passport break-in.

4. The missing page (page 11) in the Obama Senior/Stanley Ann Dunham divorce papers.

5. The destruction of Stanly Ann Dunham passport records in clear violation of State Department policy.

6. The missing immigration archives for the First week of August 1961 as reported in the Sheriff Arpio briefing.

7. Obama Senior age identified as 25 on the LFBC even though he was 27 at the time of birth. INS records clearly state his birth date to be June 1934 AND he used that date in his own handwriting in INS forms from 1959-1961. This included the INS form he filled out in late August 1961. Only in 1962 and later did he use the 1936 date.

8. The statistical value of ‘9’ handwritten in Fathers Race field of the LFBC. This is coorisponds to the statistical recording value of ‘Not Stated’. The correct value should have been ‘2’ if Fathers Race was ‘African’.

9. Brian Schatz mistakenly omitted the eligibility language in the Hawaii candidate nomination form in 2008 - even though he used the same template as in 2004 that DID include the language. Well, maybe that was not a ‘mistake’.

10. Michelle Obama mistakenly said Stanly Ann Dunham was ‘very young and very single’ when she had Obama.

Once is anomaly, twice is coincidence, 3 times is a pattern. This is beyond ‘pattern’ at this point.

However, slight problem: The stamp reads USPO along the bottom (hard to read, lousy scan, but you can see it clearly in other stamps from the time).

USPO stood for United States Post Office. That was its official name up until 1970, when Congress "privatized" it and renamed it the United States Postal Service (USPS).

New stamps all said USPS on the bottom. But they kept using the old ones until they wore out.

Now put yourself in the forger's shoes. He needs a stamp. Either USPO or USPS will do. However, the ones lying around all say USPS and have those pesky 2000's year plugs.

Now, he might have got lucky and found an old USPO stamp. But that stamp would obviously have a 19xx year plug, wouldn't it?

At worst, he might have had to cut the year off of, say, a 1983 stamp and replace it with a flipped 08 from a current stamp. But, in that case, the 19 would show as it should.

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This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say above.

1. Are you saying that if Obama's Selective Service application was a fake, it should read "USPS" at the bottom instead of the "USPO" that we see, because the Postal Service changed its name in 1970 and no post office site in the country used "USPO" stamps in 1980?

2. That is, I don't understand why Obama's Selective Service form was stamped in Hawaii with a 1980 date and with the "USPO" stamp on the bottom, if the Postal Service changed its name in 1970 to United States Postal Service.

3. Shouldn't the bottom of Obama's form, if authentic, read "USPS" instead of "USPO" that we see, if it was indeed stamped on Jul 29, '80?

4.Also, do you have any samples of legitimate documents that have the "1980" date stamp with the "USPS"---United States Postal Service---on the bottom?

Thanks.

Now, he might have got lucky and found an old USPO stamp. But that stamp would obviously have a 19xx year plug,

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I don't understand your statement above: Why would an old USPO stamp "obviously have a 19xx year plug"?

If a forger found an old USPO stamp, why couldn't it have been empty of plugs?

That is, while the forger could find an old USPO stamp, maybe he couldn't find any old 19xx plugs with it.

As I said in my earlier message, if you or anyone else CANNOT find a document or a letter or an envelope or a box with the "19" or "20" missing from the postal stamp, then what you have left is an Obama Selective Service form that is the only USPO or USPS stamped document in U.S. Postal history that has its first two digits missing from the year it was stamped.

Really, what are the odds or probability statistics that Obama's Selective Service form is the only document in postal history that was accidentally stamped with a "broken" or "ink missing" postal date stamp?

That is, if the postal stamp on Obama's Selective Service form is missing the first two digits of "19", then it looks more and more with each passing day that human manipulation is the reason that the form is missing those first two digits of "19". It did not happen by accident, as pro-Obama supporters claim.

NOTE: If, out of curiosity, I wanted to order an old USPO postal date stamp and 19xx inserts/plugs, do you know where I can get them? Thanks.