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Hawaii Elections Clerk Tim Adams Says There is No Obama Birth Certificate from Hawaii
BBCW ^ | 3 March 2012 | Bungalow Bill

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi

Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.

Jerome Corsi writes:

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; corsi; hawaii; joearpaio; kenyanbornmuzzie; naturalborncitizen; obama; sheriffjoe; timadams
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301 posted on 03/07/2012 1:44:15 PM PST by Maverick68
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To: philman_36

None - birther lawyers are too incompetent to advance a law suit that far.

The CCP said they did not need an original document to show signs of forgery. An electronic pdf was adequate. Do you think that is true?


302 posted on 03/07/2012 1:45:38 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Ironically, CBS hired experts to authenticate the documents and they refused,
saying they could not authenticate copies - they needed originals.


303 posted on 03/07/2012 1:46:02 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
The CCP said they did not need an original document to show signs of forgery. An electronic pdf was adequate.
Were they only speaking in regards to the pdf file that was posted on the WH website as "the real deal"? Or are you trying to present a lie as the truth as is your habit?

Do you think that is true?
You need to first establish what you assert is true before someone can agree or disagree.

304 posted on 03/07/2012 1:51:53 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ray76

For the sake of honesty...

The second link is to my post, post 226. However that post contains the whole of the the post being replied to, Harlan1196’s post 223, which is the one I should have linked to.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.


305 posted on 03/07/2012 1:53:00 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

How can the CCP investigation be legitimate if you need an original to detect forgery? No document expert would do what they did so why should we accept their conclusion? Especially with their known bias?

The public was directed to the pdf because they also read the supporting documentation from Hawaii that was posted with it and also read the press reports from Hawaii.

Most people would not then indulge in Clintonesque parsing of words to reach the conclusion that the WH altered the BC that Hawaii sent and posted a forgery.

If the content was changed then how can forgery be suggested if there is no original to compare it to?


306 posted on 03/07/2012 1:59:21 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196

If the content was changed then how can forgery be suggested if there is no original to compare it to?

ROFLMAO what did you do in the Navy, logic apparently wasn’t needed in your job.


307 posted on 03/07/2012 2:01:27 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Harlan1196; Ray76
How can the CCP investigation be legitimate if you need an original to detect forgery?
An original what? An original file?
308 posted on 03/07/2012 2:01:42 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
No document expert would do what they did so why should we accept their conclusion?
What did they do?
309 posted on 03/07/2012 2:02:59 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196

You would be more persuasive if you omitted the adjectives, e.g. “birther”. The word is partisan, emotional rather than an appeal to reason, and damages your credibility.


310 posted on 03/07/2012 2:03:15 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Harlan1196
If the content was changed then how can forgery be suggested if there is no original to compare it to?
An original what? An original file?
311 posted on 03/07/2012 2:04:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

This is a quote from the lead investigator about the pdf BC:

“The document is far too problematic to discuss in one press conference. The entire document is fraudulent.”

What do you think they mean by that?


312 posted on 03/07/2012 2:07:20 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

In this case an original paper copy. Go back and actually read their arguments and it will make sense.

Remember what process they are saying could not have happened.


313 posted on 03/07/2012 2:09:56 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
This is a quote from the lead investigator about the pdf BC:...
Got link? Put up the link where you got that quote from and then we'll talk. I'd like to see your source and what all was said.
314 posted on 03/07/2012 2:09:56 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

It’s actually from a birther web site so you know it is true.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-phoenix/cold-case-posse-reveals-obama-s-documents-are-forgeries


315 posted on 03/07/2012 2:11:50 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
In this case an original paper copy.
They weren't examining the original paper copy. They were examining an electronic file.
No original paper copy has never been presented for examination or inspection. No original anything has ever been presented for inspection or examination.
Everything that's ever been presented to the public is second or even third hand.
316 posted on 03/07/2012 2:14:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Arpaio said, "President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery, not a scan of an original 1961 paper document as represented by the White House when the long-form birth certificate was made public" (emphasis added)

Do you contend that an original is required to make this determination?

317 posted on 03/07/2012 2:19:08 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Harlan1196
It’s actually from a birther web site so you know it is true.
Wow, you sure are condescending. Maybe you should let them know you're so sensitive. Zullo said they made numerous attempts to defend the document’s authenticity but all had failed.
He said, “The document is far too problematic to discuss in one press conference. The entire document is fraudulent.”

What do you think they mean by that?
I think what Zullo said speaks for itself. The pdf file was altered so badly and so often that it couldn't be much more than fraudulent.
Just my opinion and your mileage may vary. (JMO...YMMV)

318 posted on 03/07/2012 2:23:28 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Everything that's ever been presented to the public is second or even third hand.

It could even be worse than that!
Do you believe that "The Great OmniPOTUS" actually posted that pdf file himself or did it pass through the hands of some flunky three or four times before it made its way onto the Internet?

319 posted on 03/07/2012 2:34:54 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Oops...can't let that stand without a correction.
No original paper copy has never ever been presented...
320 posted on 03/07/2012 2:53:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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