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To: Bud Krieger; Harlan1196

“What about anchor babies?”

According to the WKA decision, the parents need to be in the USA legally:

“The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.”

“In amity” means in friendship with the government. The 14th used the phrase: “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,”. It meant the same thing.

It would be interesting to see a birther try a court case arguing that Obama Sr was either not here in amity (I believe he was deported or encouraged by the US government to leave) or that he was here temporarily at the bidding of a foreign government, and thus did not fall under the WKA ruling:

“The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.”


51 posted on 02/17/2012 3:43:44 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
“In amity” means in friendship with the government. The 14th used the phrase: “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,”. It meant the same thing.
Please explain how you have come to the conclusion that they mean the same thing?

It would be interesting to see a birther try a court case arguing that Obama Sr was either not here in amity...
Why do that when it's so much easier to show that natural born citizenship can't be passed from a transitional alien to their offspring.

...(I believe he was deported or encouraged by the US government to leave) or that he was here temporarily at the bidding of a foreign government...

The man was not here "at the bidding" of any government. Individual people helped him with his tuition and scholarship, not any government. He was given a student visa under @USC 8 which grants student visas to visiting alien students. Any child born to an alien while present in the US on a student visa, no matter who the mother was, would also fall under USC 8, as that Title falls under Congress' Constitutionally granted powers on @establishing uniform rules of naturalization, and under no pretense of the imagination could the progeny of an alien be considered to be a natural born citizen.

Your portrayal of the situation is abysmal, but not unexpected.

80 posted on 02/17/2012 10:36:39 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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