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To: Persevero
I’d say driving for the sake of driving, as some people do. Commerce can exist without such driving, and we don’t have to do it to escape potted-planthood. What are the benefits of such driving that don’t exist for recreational drug use? And are you willing to impose costs on others for your right to drive for the sake of driving?

I believe costs already exist,

Are you willing to continue imposing costs on others for your right to drive for the sake of driving?

in point of fact, in terms of the payment of auto insurance.

As I said, I'm talking about innocent people suffering and dying in accidents that wouldn't have happened if the car wasn't on the road. Are you willing to continue imposing those costs on others for your right to drive for the sake of driving?

As for commerce, you are using gas, wheels, oil, seeing places you might like to go sometime, stopping even if you hadn’t planned to, discovering new routes, etc.

No help for you there - commerce can exist without those.

As for commerce and recreational drug use, you are buying the drug, a pipe or other apparatus for using the drug, some munchies and music, etc.

260 posted on 02/16/2012 12:05:14 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“I believe costs already exist,

Are you willing to continue imposing costs on others for your right to drive for the sake of driving? “

Yes, I am willing to have everyone who wants to drive pay auto insurance, or post a bond; in my ideal world we’d have (decent) debtor’s prisons for those who choose to drive uninsured and wreak any havoc, but since victims at this point don’t have this recourse, I think we should all pay for auto insurance.


261 posted on 02/16/2012 1:18:22 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“As I said, I’m talking about innocent people suffering and dying in accidents that wouldn’t have happened if the car wasn’t on the road. Are you willing to continue imposing those costs on others for your right to drive for the sake of driving? “

As I said, if we all stayed home and didn’t drive the negatives of that would exceed the negatives of the accidents.


262 posted on 02/16/2012 1:19:51 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“No help for you there - commerce can exist without those. “

Commerce can exist without a lot of things. If we had no airplanes, we’d still have commerce. If we went to horse and buggy, we’d still have commerce.

However any time you cancel an activity you generally negatively affect commerce.

As for the paraphenalia bought for drug use, yes, there is some commerce there. But

As I said,

the benefits of that are very much exceeded by the negative impact of the drug abuse.

Perhaps you think that a Sunday drive has as much negative impact as smoking crack. Well, you’re wrong.


263 posted on 02/16/2012 1:22:04 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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