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To: MamaTexan

“Care to explain why Franklin was making and Application for release of a Captain because that capture violated the Law of Nations?”

Because that involved INTERNATIONAL LAW. Not US law.

“You also continually disregard Tucker as ‘English common law’.”

No. I point out, however, that English common law is the source of the legal terms used by the Founders, and the definitions of those terms - which is a statement that the court have always upheld.

What they have never upheld - because it would be incredibly stupid - is that a translation made in 1797 determines the meaning of a phrase written in 1787.


125 posted on 02/09/2012 9:20:02 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
Because that involved INTERNATIONAL LAW. Not US law.

A logical point. To take the logic further, why would the Founders use the Law of Nations internally, yet ignore its use internally?

The answer is, of course, they wouldn't.

Vattel's idea that 'natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens' was repeated decades later in Congress-

“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ”
— John A. Bingham, (R-Ohio) US Congressman, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866).

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because it would be incredibly stupid - is that a translation made in 1797 determines the meaning of a phrase written in 1787.

A Subject of the King was subject to the King's whims where a Citizen is his own King.....it's why we're 'Sovereign' citizens.

It can't be that that hard of a stretch to see that a subject in Vattel's work is analogous to Citizen to the Founders.

126 posted on 02/09/2012 10:16:03 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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