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To: devattel

“In other words, if one is a dual citizen, like Mr. Obama is, he owes his allegiance to both the United States AND the United Kingdom.”

Actually, US law does not recognize dual citizenship. We know it exists, but we don’t worry about it.

And the idea that Obama owes the UK allegiance over the US is just STUPID. He hates England. He has lived the large majority of his life in the US, and has never shown any concern for England.

In any case, Minor said citizens were either born or made, and Obama would be a citizen born.


135 posted on 02/05/2012 12:07:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
Mr Rogers said:

Actually, US law does not recognize dual citizenship. We know it exists, but we don’t worry about it. And the idea that Obama owes the UK allegiance over the US is just STUPID. He hates England. He has lived the large majority of his life in the US, and has never shown any concern for England. In any case, Minor said citizens were either born or made, and Obama would be a citizen born.

That is incorrect. The United States recognizes dual citizenship, and has for quite some time. The Department of State not only processes dual citizenship differently, they raise concerns about the over-abundance of dual citizens in this country.

Regardless of how much Obama may "hate" the United Kingdom, he still is a citizen of the UK. The UK requires an explicit renouncement of citizenship, much like the United States.

As far as the citizen born argument you mention, it is complete hogwash. Either one is a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States. The Constitution is quite clear as to these two distinct citizenship classes. Being born and being Natural Born are two distinct concepts. Amendment XIV confirms this because it could not confer Natural Born Citizenship to slaves as their parents were not citizens at the time of their children's birth.

Quite frankly I find it amusing that many people feel that Amendment XIV confers something that is simply not there. Nowhere does it state Natural Born Citizen. If what you are saying is factual, Amendment XIV would have said this:

All persons born in the United States are Natural Born Citizens. All persons naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. All citizens of the United states are citizens of the state wherein they reside.

That would have been easy enough to do.

143 posted on 02/05/2012 12:42:53 PM PST by devattel
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