[patlin]

Is the 14th part of the US Constitution or not? If you say no then you would be correct that born under the 14th could mean something different. However, if the 14th is actually part of the US Constitution just as all the former bill of rights are, then you are mistaken and so are all the legalese because they can't get past their legal prejudiced education.

ALL SCOTUS rulings from Dredd Scott up to the erroneous WKA ruling concluded that there were only 2 paths, A1 naturalization & A2-natural born. It's not rocket science, it's common sense that all men should be able to understand without having a legal degree because it has been the common law of ALL nations from time immemorial, thus the reason the 1868 Expatriation Act was passed. Go back & read the congressional records, 2 paths, either born naturally to a citizen father, or naturalized under A1. Period. Miller, Waite & even Gray in the Elk case all adopted it as the law of the land and defined it as such.

If one isn't bound by the Constitution as to actually want to put 14th Amendment citizenship back in its box, then one is not truly committed to A2 citizenship which IS defined by the 14th. The word "natural" was not put in because it would have been redundant since all born or naturalized are already defined to be subject only to the United States per the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction". Equal in all except that only those born can attain to the presidency.

Therefore the 14th changed nothing. However usurpation by an ignorant populace has.

[Seizethecarp]

“ALL SCOTUS rulings from Dredd Scott up to the erroneous WKA ruling concluded that there were only 2 paths, A1 naturalization & A2-natural born.”

I disagree. The Minor court pre-dated WKA and the Minor court stated that as of the date of that decision there were at least three classes of citizens:

1. NBC: born in the country of citizen parents: NO DOUBT (not dicta because it was “reached” to declare Minor to be this type of citizen...thus precedent, IMO)

2. Born in country to aliens and foreigners: DOUBT (dicta because it was “not reached” because Minor had citizen parents...in WKA a subclass of these births were declared to be citizens at birth but NOT NBC at birth, IMO)

3. Naturalized citizens

[John Valentine]

You are so wrong on this matter that it unlikely that you would ever be able to actually comprehend the truth. You have not understood the precedents, you do not understand legal construction, you have ignored history, and you have accepted a “logic” that leads directly to absurd results.

I invite you to re-educate yourself at a pretty fundamental level so that you can actually come to appreciate the benefits and responsibilities of living in a constitutional republic.