I don't like Romney at all, but it will be a no brainer if he wins, Obama is truly horrid, truly a Marxist, truly 100% destructive. Right now we have to work to make sure it's not Romney who opposes him because I think he's the one candidate who might not be able to beat Obama.
I despise mitt the twit and do not want to see him as the nominee because he would probably lose by emulating mccain and dole.
That said; if he is (God forbid) the nominee I believe it would be infinitely better to have him rather than der Fuehrer. Get a grip! Obama and the democrat party ARE THE ENEMY and we know exactly what they will do to the country and Constitution if he gets a second term. We at least have a chance of saving the Constitution even with mitt rather than the nazi socialist POS currently driving the nation into socialism.
Too many conservatives pushed out and cheered the removal of real conservatives from the race because they didn’t have “fire in the belly” or they were accused of this or that, or the voters will believe the lies and accusations hurled at them, or they are stupid, or they don’t exactly represent my views. This thinking has once again pushed us into this Hobson’s Choice.
Yes, yes, yes! We are at the point now where the lesser of two evils may be the only choice. We listened to all the BS about who cares about voting for mccain because four years of obama would move everyone away from the democrats. What we ended up with is far worse than almost any of the predictions and continuing it for four more years will seal the death warrant for the country.
Whomever the candidate is, fully support him and get rid of the democrat party enemy.
If Romney is the nominee and the FReeper establishment helps reelect Obama, will there be FR threads about how we "stuck it to the RINOs"? Probably.
Think of it this way: a Romney nomination surrenders to the GOP-E all the gains of the Tea Party. The Tea Party did not take to the streets to nominate an elitist, Rockefeller Republican. Romney is not nor ever has been an ally of the Tea Party Movement or Reaganism.
IMO, a regional non-union party with strong ant FedGov™ underpinnings and a return to the old republic vis a vis the US Constitution would be the way to go....
I’m not going to argue anything for Romney, nor even consider that as a calculation at this point. However, I will address these disaster points if he is re-elected.
1. People do not ‘learn how bad liberals are’. Liberals create greater and greater dependency classes that is almost impossible to move out of their ‘comfort zone’ where they are taken care of by big brother. It is easier to win someone over by giving someone something than it is telling them to be independent.
2. Winners control the message.
3. Turn-out. If more people get out to vote for Obama, that most likely will also mean there will be a greater turn out for “D” voters in general, potentially harming or eliminating the House lead and eliminating any chance of taking the Senate.
4. Supreme court judges (and other lifetime judge positions) At least 4 SCOTUS judges are over-due to retire. Whoever is the next President will basically set control of the judicial system for the next decade or more.
5. Mandate. Obama and his people will see a re-election as a stamp of approval on what they have done the past four years.
6. Ego. Imagine Obama with the knowledge he was re-elected and frame what he will look like in history books.
7. Power. Imagine Obama knowing he has just four more years to fundamentally change the Country with no other opportunity after that. He also will have no more elections to face to account for his actions over the next four years. (Thinking about this one, this is actually the most frightening.)
I’m sure there are a lot of other reasons, but be it through a Republican candidate or a new party, Obama must not be re-elected.
No matter who is elected, if the course of our country doesn’t change soon, we will see a catastrophe.
The 2008 financial crisis has shown that the American people are not interested in “why” a catastrophe happens or “who” caused it, they’re only interested in removing whoever was in charge when it happened.
My big fear is that Romney gets elected and does very little to correct our course. Then when catastrophe hits all of us will be blamed. Republicans will be decimated.
If we’re not going to change course, I’d rather see them blamed for the inevitable than us.
I would NOT vote for a republican just because that person calls him or her-self one. Conservative priciples and policies carry more weight. Bye bye Mitt.
Doesn’t mean anyone else has that vote yet either.
No difference except for the crowd that they bring with them???? Are you kidding, Romney’s advisors ARE NOW Obama’s advisors!
I think FUBO in his 2nd term would push harder for socialism that Mittens in his 1st term.
It does not matter whether its better or worse for the “conservative cause.” The question, the ONLY question, is which would be better for America- Romney or Obama? If you look at it solely from that point, clearly, a Romney presidency would be better for America.
Yes, there are those who argue that he is no better than Obama, that he would not reverse course, just slow us down. OK; let’s use that scenario... which is better? Heading toward the cliff (the destruction of America as we know it) at 600 MPH or slowing it down to 100 MPH? Hell, that’s easy... if you have a chance to either hasten or slow down the destruction of the country, you slow it down! In the case of a vote for Romney or Obama, clearly, the better choice under this scenario is Romney.
This election is crucial. The primary is critical as well. Vote your conscience and vote for the most conservative candidate. If Newt or Santorum wins the nomination, then great! But if it is Romney at the end of the day, we need to come together behind him. Is he ideal? No. Is he a true conservative? No. Is he better for the country than Obama? Clearly, yes... much better.
There are those here that believe that four more years of Obama will hasten a new American Revolution, or rather a Restoration. I am not among them. I believe that with the damage done in his first term, four more years will destroy America. We need to reverse course... but if we can’t do it right away, it is best to slow our march to destruction and try again in 4 years. To sit out this election, or cast a meaningless 3rd party vote (or worse, vote for someone who is not even running, like Palin) is to vote for the destruction of all that we hold dear. Obama must be stopped. If we can stop him with Romney, we will have bought ourselves four more years to try to get a true conservative...
I have come to the conclusion that at least half of these “I won’t vote for Romney because he’s no different than Obama” threads are attempts by the left to convince conservatives that they should not vote. The other half are idealogical purists who would never be satisfied because no candidate would ever match their disparate beliefs 100%.
For me the bottom line is this: WE MUST STOP OBAMA! If that means that I have to hold my nose and vote for Romney, I’ll do it. I did it with McCain... and if more of us would have done the same instead of sitting it out because McCain wasn’t conservative enough, we would not be on the brink of disaster... we lost seats in the house and senate because too many conservatives stayed home. Don’t make the same mistake again. Don’t fallm into the trap being set by the left. I don’t like Romney and don’t want him to be president, but if the choice is Romney or Obama, I will work my ass off to get Romney elected.
For the record, I was a Perry supporter. When he dropped out, I moved to Santorum. I can’t vote for Newt in the primary, but if he’s our nominee, I’ll work like hell to get him elected (same if its crazy old Ron Paul!)
No way will Romney be better...he has ZERO political courage, AND he HATES Conservatives, just as McCain does.
Plus, we would be constantly forced to defend his liberal policies because he claims to be a “Republican”. He will push this party further to the left, and marginalize Conservatives even more.
This is precisely how the GOP started committing suicide in the first place, this is why we are where we are today!
I will no longer vote for someone who hates me, and is embarrassed by my beliefs.
At the end of the day, if Romney is the nominee, it could never be as bad as obama. While he has rino tendencies, I believe we the people can - and will - keep him in check. I don’t see him as being dictatorial and running roughshod over Congress and the people the way obama most certainly will. Look what he’s done in 3 years? Just imagine obama in a nothing-to-lose second term. If romney beats obama in the general, the voters WILL hold him accountable.
Is 4 more years of the same with republicans to blame worse than 4 more years of the same with democrats to blame?
Romney would also destroy the Republican Party. I am still undecided on whether that is bad or good.
I could easily see them getting "postponed". Or, so flooded by Acorn-type voting as to be useless.
Easy answer. No, it wouldn’t. But even if it was, it would still be better for the nation.
One could make a good argument for allowing Obama another term to fully implement his socialist agenda as an “object lesson”.
As bad as things now are, apparently two thirds of America senses no alarm. Maybe they need 25% jobless, societal collapse, exploding street crime and long lines for bread just to START paying attention to politics.
Freepers know the issues, we know the Founding Fathers insights, we know Saul Alinsky tactics... we cannot be easily led by liberal/socialist pied pipers. However, the average citizen is busy watching American Idol and Daily Show.
I hate to say it: the average citizen hasn’t YET seen the logic of limited government and conservatism , so probably needs things to COMPLETELY break down. Freepers should stop investing in gold and switch to lead.
It's a setup.
We, the Republic, have been loosing a war of financial attrition for decades. We, the Republic are engaged in a war with those who govern us. Drastic measures are required to defeat this enemy in order to stop the bleeding that each of us are seeing in the depreciation of our savings, the constant onslaught of taxes, fees, and licenses. Each of them designed to remove our ability to live free.
If a slave is a person who works for no money, then a paid person who works with no money left for savings or investment is therefore a slave. In each case work is done, the slave is fed and roofed.
We must spread the word, at the water cooler, over the fence, while standing in a line at the store or bank. We need a grassroots party, with vetting, to make sure the party is not subverted (we've seen these tactics in use with Tea Parties).
We need to enroll those who love to enroll others. After ten years or so we can launch a powerful and viable third party to win back the freedom that was guaranteed to us thru the law of the land.