NASA Publicly Reveals LENR Research

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NASA Publicly Reveals LENR Research

January 12, 2012

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The National Aeronautics and Space Administration or NASA has announced that it is working to develop a low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) or cold fusion power source. The agency has posted a video online that features a senior research scientist discussing LENR and explaining how it works.

The scientist is Dr. Joseph Zawodny a Senior Research Scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia near Washington DC.

Joseph Zawodny courtesy NASA

“It has demonstrated ability to produce excess amounts of energy cleanly without hazardous ionizing radiation without producing nasty waste,” Zawodny told the camera. In the video Zawodny stated that NASA’s method for enhancement of surface Plasmon Polaritons to initiate and sustain LENR releases energy by adding neutrons. When enough neutrons are added they sponteaneously decay into something of the same mass but another element.

 

In the video an announcer describes the system as:

“NASA’s method for Enhancement of Surface Plasmon Polaritrons to Initiate and Sustain LENR in Metal Hydride Solutions a clean nuclear energy for your power operated technology.”

 

This sounds a lot like Andrea Rossi’s e-cat LENR device. The video shows images from the US Navy SPAWAR  which was reportedly working on LENR devices of its own. A recent internet rumor has stated that SPAWAR has shut down its cold fusion research. No Mention is made of SPAWAR the Navy’s research arm in the video.

 

Zawodny did not mention Rossi or e-cat but he described a home use of the process that sounds a lot like Rossi’s. He mentioned that it could be used for heating, cool, water heating and electricity production in the home.

 

“The easiest implementation of this would be for the home. You would have a unit that would replace your water heater you would have some sort of cycle to derive electricity from that,” Zawodny said. “It would be a dual use thing it would produce heat, the waste heat would be used for environmental control and warm water.”

 

Interestingly enough Dr. Dennis M. Bushnell another senior scientist at Langely who is also involved in LENR research is not mentioned or shown in the video.

Nor or are any high level NASA officials shown. Scientists are shown working at computers but no LENR devices are shown. Instead stock footage of planes, trains and trucks is shown and fossil fuels are mentioned.

Facilities and Personnel at NASA's Langley Research Center

This is a very interesting development especially when there is widespread public interest in LENR and public pressure to investigate it. Combined with reports that the US Department of Energy could be changing its mind on the topic this is really good news. LENR skeptics won’t be able to dismiss Zawodny as a “cold fusion crank.”

 

There are some interesting implications from this, NASA could be getting ready to ask Congress for funding for LENR research. Or the Agency could be getting ready to patent a process. If that happens it could affect both Andrea Rossi and the Greek company Defaklion that claim to have working LENR heating devices. Rossi is selling such a device right now. Both he and Defkalion are planning to bring out home heating units using LENR this year.

 

One interesting development could be that NASA is planning to commercialize LENR. That could lead to a legal battle with Rossi and the companies he has licensed. There have been some unconfirmed rumors that NASA has purchased one of Rossi’s e-cat cold fusion devices. Other rumors indicate that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency at the Pentagon or DARPA was the customer.

 

I also have to wonder if NASA has a working LENR device of some sort. If it does that could be a real game changer. We would also have to wonder why NASA hasn’t revealed the device to the public or the press. Perhaps they’re waiting for tests or a patent.

Concept drawing of a 5KW E-cat for home use Courtesy Ecat.com

Another possibility is that President Obama is keeping the device under wraps and planning to publicly unveil it during the Presidential campaign this fall. That would certainly get him a few votes. This is highly probably because it would justify his green energy technology agenda which has received a lot of criticism in recent months.

 

Either way it looks like the LENR deniers are going to have to change their tunes and eat their words. It also looks like this revolutionary energy source has high level support in Washington.

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• NASA Langley Low Energy Nuclear Reaction LENR
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• nasa on cold fusion
• nasas method for a clean nuclear energy for your power operated technology

Post by jennifer in Breakthrough, E-Cat, Energy, Experiments, Investment, LENR, News, Products, Rossi

[Johnny B.]

Excuse me....."done no research??" Rothwell has been to the labs of, observed the apparatuses of (in action and not) more research in LANR than probably any other individual on this planet, and he has very likely help with experiments occasionally.

Watching people doing research is not doing research.

"He has very likely..." Still making up your facts, I see.

[Lx]

No. Rothwell has proven his credibility for years. You can say that A and Z have more technical expertise....NOT credibility. Rothwell believes LANR is real, but he has honestly looked at ALL THE DATA. And he's certainly more credible than Krivit, who you put unreserved faith in.

My problem with Rothwell is that he thinks (or appears to think) that he is the gatekeeper of anything LENR. So, when someone mentions something he's not aware of, he goes off on them until it either gets Jed's stamp of approval or he rejects it.

Now, I'll be the first person to admit that I already had an opinion on the guy just from reading one article.

So, my questions are:
1) Is Jed Rothwell an independent and honest source of LENR news?
2) An LENR booster without regard to facts (like Sterling Allan even though I don't get that type of feeling from Jed)?
3) Is he using his writing to associate himself with LENR so he can either claim he was part of it or that he was the one that brought it mainstream?
4) Simply tired of dealing with the naysayers every day so he gives them short shrift attention?

As the librarian of LENR.org, he is doing a good job. It's nice to see a page with content and not animated links or God know what else that tend to make sites like that unreadable and a joke.

There's no hurry on the answer. Unfortunately, I didn't get much chance to read as I was wrenching this weekend. Working with SS oil lines is not fun, especially when there is zero slack in them. That and electrical but at least electrical is child's play.

Oh yeah, Defkalion. I posted three photos of their 'labs'. Each source photo had a caption that made it seem that each lab is separate buy they had the focus so tight, you couldn't really see the rooms. What you could see, is that the rooms all appeared the same. They had an announcement on New Year's day but I can't find it. I think it has been November since they showed the three photos of the Hyperion in their labs. While I originally thought the Hyperion was a power source run by their version of the E-cat but now, I think it's their version of the E-cat. They said they had theirs ready for tests so what happened; has anyone heard anything since January 1?

[Wonder Warthog]

"But in another thread, just a day or two ago, you used exactly that argument to justify your belief in Rossi's anonymous engineer for his anonymous."

I said nothing about his credibility at any level. What the witnesses said was that he was knowledgeable.

"You told me that because the anonymous engineer seemed to know what he was talking about, it didn't matter that we knew absolutely nothing about him."

There is a difference between "knowledgeable" and "credible". That is the point that seems to escape you.

Ahern and Zawodny are certainly knowledgeable. Due to their vested interest in their own attempts to patent aspects of CF, their credibility is at question.

But Rothwell is both knowledgeable AND credible. He probably cannot do the higher math to do theoretical work, as can Ahern and Zawodny, but he certainly knows enough about the experimental methodologies and previous experimental work garnered over MANY years to be able to judge whether a specific set of experiments is valid or, if invalid, how so. Heck, "I" couldn't do the theoretical physics aspect, but I have more than enough knowledge about the instrumentation and science to judge the validity or lack same of experimental results.

And NOBODY who is even the least bit knowledgeable about the past history of cold fusion makes ANY negative comments about Rothwell's personal integrity.

"You are a hypocrite."

Nope. Sorry. Just not agreeing with you. The simple fact is that there is NO evidence of fraud of any sort. Just speculation.

[Johnny B.]

BTW, Sterling Allan "interviewed" Rossi just the other day on something called the "Smart Scarecrow" webcast. LINK

I haven't listened to it yet, but on the Vortex they have been picking it apart. LINK

Among the new claims by Rossi:

• He has sold another 1MW unit.
• He will be selling the "home" units for $500.
• Fuel lasts 6 months, refills are $10, and they are user-replaceble.
• He brought up testing by the University of Bologna, but was vague about it.
• 512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected.
• U.L. certification is in progress.
• He is currently manufacturing E-Cats in Miami.
• First 1MW plant will be operational in 1-2 months.
• Home E-Cat production will start in the US fall. Sales will start in the US winter.

Of course, there is no evidence for any of these claims, so you can believe as much or as little as you want.

There is some fresh conversation on the Vortex list about the claims of gamma rays being emitted from gadget. It's very hard to believe that he would be allowed to sell residential space heaters that emit gamma rays, and there is considerable doubt on the list that the modest amount of lead shielding that Rossi claims is there would be sufficient to make the device safe.

The U.L. claim is personally interesting to me. My father worked with customers to get U.L. listings for their products. If he were still alive, I would certainly be able to get some inside information about this claim. I do have access to one of his associates who worked as an engineer at U.L. for his entire career. I'm considering asking him to ask around. However, that won't do the larger world any good, since I couldn't prove the accuracy of this information, and (unlike Rossi, Jed Rothwell and others on the fanboy side of things), I refuse to post any information without citing the source.

[Johnny B.]

I said nothing about his credibility at any level. What the witnesses said was that he was knowledgeable.

Yup, that's the difference.

You don't care about his credibility, aboveboard, colorable, conceivable, conclusive, creditable, dependable, determinative, honest, honest to God, imaginable, likely, plausible, possible, probable, probably, rational, reasonable, reliable, satisfactory, satisfying, seeming, sincere, solid, sound, straight, supposable, tenable, thinkable, trustworthy, trusty, up front, valid (to use all the synonyms you just had to stick into your post).

That says everything anyone needs to know about your beliefs regarding Rossi.

[Lx]

Have you ever heard of the song by King Crimson, called, "Elephant Talk?

You don't care about his credibility, aboveboard, colorable, conceivable, conclusive, creditable, dependable, determinative, honest, honest to God, imaginable, likely, plausible, possible, probable, probably, rational, reasonable, reliable, satisfactory, satisfying, seeming, sincere, solid, sound, straight, supposable, tenable, thinkable, trustworthy, trusty, up front, valid (to use all the synonyms you just had to stick into your post).

That sounds like it, awesome.

Let's just say they're a little ahead of their time...

Elephant Talk lyrics.

Talk
it's only talk
Arguments
agreements
advice
answers

Articulate announcements
It's only talk

Talk
it's only talk
Babble
burble
banter
bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha
boulderdash
ballyhoo
It's only talk
Back talk

Talk talk talk
it's only talk
Comments
cliches
commentary
controversy
Chatter
chit-chat
chit-chat
chit-chat

Conversation
contradiction
criticism
It's only talk
Cheap talk

Talk
talk
it's only talk
Debates
discussions
These are words with a D this time
Dialogue
dualogue
diatribe
Dissention
declamation
Double talk
double talk

Talk
talk
it's all talk
Too much talk
Small talk
Talk that trash
Expressions
editorials
expugnations
exclamations
enfadulations
It's all talk
Elephant talk
elephant talk
elephant talk

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[Wonder Warthog]

"That says everything anyone needs to know about your beliefs regarding Rossi."

I have no "beliefs" about Rossi. I have beliefs about his technology. The difference is that I am relying on hard facts on the subject, and you are relying on innuendo and speculation.

YOU HAVE NO PROOF, not one single item of provable fact that the technology is fraudulent. Your "arguments from authority" mean precisely zero to me, because I an sufficiently knowledgable in the area to not need an external authority. I'm capable of looking at the SCIENCE evidence and drawing the necessary conclusions.

I suggest you spend some time on Vortex-L on a thread about "Rossi comments about "It Was Sent Back" where a major discussion is going on about Rossi's "truthiness" or lack of same.

Jone Beene:

Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:43:09 -0800

Having said all that - let me be clear that good evidence still indicates Rossi has invented a robust energy anomaly.

That is where myself and Yugo part company. She believes that the dishonesty extends to everything, but that is wrong. At the bottom of it all, there is enough proof from other honest sources, and from 22 years of positive R&D - that this energy anomaly is now ready for prime time - that we should not abandon Rossi altogether.

Mary Yugo could be your twin in her (there is evidence that "she" isn't she...perhaps she is YOU) lack of technical capacity and viewpoint on Rossi, and uses virtually the same argument.

[Lx]

What does Seth Putterman have to do with this: Vortex L Putterman

Snippet:

This patent doesn't show up on google searches of discussion boards.

I am curious how it fits into the various LENR categories, and also whether the approach works on nano-scales, and in which atmospheres, emulsions and for which crystal distributions.

Although the fusion is claimed to be initiated at low temperature, the USPTO did not reject it as a "cold fusion" claim- maybe because of the mention of particle beams?

One of the inventors, Seth Putterman, is also a sonofusion researcher.

Does anyone have any insights on the patent's value? Do the claims conflict with any pending patents? Does it overlap any current LENR approaches?

Thanks, Lou Pagnucco

[Johnny B.]

YOU HAVE NO PROOF, not one single item of provable fact that the technology is fraudulent.

No, but I don't have to "prove" he's a fraud. It's up to him to prove that he's legitimate. He isn't even close to doing so.

You have faith in Rossi, which has no place in scientific enquiry.

When Rossi fulfills his promise to provide an E-Cat for independent testing to the University of Bologna, and if they determine that it really works...

OR

When a real, verifiable, legitimate company, university or other credible organization announces that they have an E-Cat and it works as described

THEN

I'll believe that Rossi is legitimate.

Until then, the very long and detailed list I've provided on numerous occasions provides more than enough evidence to believe that Rossi continues to be a con man, as he has been for decades.

[Wonder Warthog]

"No, but I don't have to "prove" he's a fraud. It's up to him to prove that he's legitimate. He isn't even close to doing so."

Another clue, since you apparently have none. Rossi doesn't have to do a damned thing that either you or I might wish.

"You have faith in Rossi, which has no place in scientific enquiry."

I've told you repeatedly that the above is NOT true. But you just keep repeating it despite that fact.

"I'll believe that Rossi is legitimate"

I don't give **** what you believe or don't believe.

"Until then, the very long and detailed list I've provided on numerous occasions provides more than enough evidence to believe that Rossi continues to be a con man, as he has been for decades."

Nope. As I said, your VERY CAREFULLY SELECTED list proves only that you are very selective in your beliefs and link only to that information that supports your point. Your information on Rossi's fraudulent activities appears to come from a single source in Italy. This sort of selectivity is the hallmark of a propagandist, not a person who is out to "find the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".

There is a "meme" which actually better explains more of the factual universe surrounding Rossi and his technology than your interpretation. The meme is "misdirection".....he wants to keep the publicity up, and people interested, while keeping enough of his potential competitors off balance and out of the market, and, if possible, send them off on various "wild goose chases" while he gets the bugs worked out of the real piece of technology he has.

As I recall, you and some others on these threads claim to be motivated by a desire to "keep widows and orphans from being taken in by a scam". Here is your actual moral position......those who have impeded the development of LANR over the last quarter of a century have KILLED PEOPLE. People whose lives might have been saved if they had had access to inexpensive power (even just heat). You might want to invest some time thinking about that.

[Wonder Warthog]

I'm not all the familiar with Putterman, as I haven't followed sonofusion all that much (there are some good papers on it in the conference preceedings).

I'll have to look at your link and do some reading. I "may" have more time today to do that than usual, as we are in the middle of a winter storm, and I may not be able to get to work.

[Johnny B.]

Rossi doesn't have to do a damned thing that either you or I might wish.

Of course he doesn't. But, he deserves to be disbelieved if he presents his dog & pony shows to the public, and then refuses to do anything to validate it.

As I said, your VERY CAREFULLY SELECTED list proves only that you are very selective in your beliefs and link only to that information that supports your point. Your information on Rossi's fraudulent activities appears to come from a single source in Italy.

I present my evidence in rebuttal the the blindly positive mix of truth, half-truths and lies that the fanboys such as yourself have been spreading. For example, you spent almost all of last year using Rossi's lie that he was going to (or already did) allow independent testing of his gadget as "evidence" that he must be legitimate.

That you are trying to "belittle" the oldest and best-selling newspaper in Italy just because you don't like the stories they covered over more than a decade shows how desperate you are to avoid the facts.

those who have impeded the development of LANR over the last quarter of a century have KILLED PEOPLE.

Oh, please! It's not the fault of skeptics that no one has been able to make LENR work well enough to make it more than a research oddity. It's the two-decade-long failure of the LENR researchers to actually make it work. And rather than accept their failure, you and the fanboys simply find some conspiracy or another to blame.

I'm really not interested in banging my head against the wall trying to reason with you any further. But I do have one question I would like you to answer.

I've described the various scenarios which would cause me to change my mind about Rossi (some legitimate customer, university or other credible organization coming forward with a confirmation that Rossi's gadget works).

Please tell us what scenarios would make you change your mind? For example, if no independent confirmation that the E-Cat works has been produced in a year, will that be enough for you to admit that Rossi is a fraud? Five years? Ever?

Or are you so blindly devoted to Rossi that there is no scenario that would convince you that you were wrong?

[Lx]

Remember, Putterman is the guy that was laughing over screwing Taleyarkhan over. He’s from UCLA and was the one who received almost a million dollars and could not replicate Taleyarkhan’s experiments.

[Lx]

I'll have to look at your link and do some reading. I "may" have more time today to do that than usual, as we are in the middle of a winter storm, and I may not be able to get to work.

I feel for you. It's a grueling 41 in Placerville and 42 in Sacramento. I wonder if they've closed any schools.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I present my evidence in rebuttal the the blindly positive mix of truth, half-truths and lies that the fanboys such as yourself have been spreading."

Liar.

"For example, you spent almost all of last year using Rossi's lie that he was going to (or already did) allow independent testing of his gadget as "evidence" that he must be legitimate."

Another lie. I've responded to this point repeatedly, and you still lie about it. One more time....when I made the statement, the best information ANYBODY had (and that many others indicated as well) was that Rossi planned to allow such testing. And in fact, he has, as recently as this week, stated that he still plans to collaborate with the U of B, and hopes to get that started in a couple of months.

"That you are trying to "belittle" the oldest and best-selling newspaper in Italy just because you don't like the stories they covered over more than a decade shows how desperate you are to avoid the facts."

I know squat about newspapers in Italy. For all I know your source could be the Italian equivalent to the US supermarket tabloids with pictures of aliens on the cover. And being old and popular does not preclude the possibility that they present slanted coverage based on "guidance" from influential stockholders. Y'know, kinda like the AP does when their Saudi owners crack the whip. And for that matter, your mere statement that they are "oldest and best-selling" isn't proof that they are such.

"Oh, please! It's not the fault of skeptics that no one has been able to make LENR work well enough to make it more than a research oddity. It's the two-decade-long failure of the LENR researchers to actually make it work. And rather than accept their failure, you and the fanboys simply find some conspiracy or another to blame."

"Oh Please" nothing. It's funny that you can spend huge amounts of time pursuing Rossi's activities, and can't be bothered to actually find out the truth about the treatment of CF researchers. And since you actually make the above statement, it's also obvious that you have read precisely zero of the many hundreds of publications and conference proceedings available. The tech has been replicated repeatedly, and yet you and the other skeptopaths repeat the same old crap...."it ain't real", "there's no data", all the while denying tenure, grant funding, promotions, and more to those who actually scrape up a bit of money to actually do real science. As opposed the the FRAUD committed by MIT and thoroughly documented by Gene Mallove.

Since you like Krivit so much, read the material on the above subject on his website....it's there.

I just finished reading 385 pages of conference proceedings of the "Proceedings of 15th International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science", which contains many excellent scientific papers, both theoretical and experimental, which show conclusively the truth of LANR.

Many hundreds of similar papers can be found in the "Library" section of LENR-CANR.ORG.

But you just "can't be bothered" to look at them.

And you just "blow off" ALL of that evidence.

There's a phrase for folks like that....."willful ignorance".

"Please tell us what scenarios would make you change your mind? For example, if no independent confirmation that the E-Cat works has been produced in a year, will that be enough for you to admit that Rossi is a fraud? Five years? Ever?"

"Tell us?" Did you suddenly get a royal title?? Or do you have "mulitple personality syndrome". I'd say my own personal time frame would be the end of this year. I don't deal in "scenarios". I constantly evaluate the facts and adjust accordingly.

"Or are you so blindly devoted to Rossi that there is no scenario that would convince you that you were wrong?"

Look, jackass . I've told you at least a dozen times, I have NO INTEREST in any kind of "devotion" to Rossi. I could care less about Rossi. But the best evidence available is that his TECHNOLOGY is real. Once again...I have the scientific background to make that judgement. You don't. And I simply don't buy the idea that Rossi has come up with as many different ways to fake the data as all the different tests that have been run with all the different WELL qualified witnesses that were present. That meme is simply ridiculous, and so unlikely as to be impossible.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I feel for you. It's a grueling 41 in Placerville and 42 in Sacramento. I wonder if they've closed any schools."

Ohhh...I am jealous of your climate, but I don't think I could be paid enough money to live in California. Too many "fruits and nuts" for my taste (to say nothing of the liberals and their politics).

[Lx]

Ohhh...I am jealous of your climate, but I don't think I could be paid enough money to live in California. Too many "fruits and nuts" for my taste (to say nothing of the liberals and their politics)

Unfortunately, you've got it right. Sacramento is the Capital so I'm right in the thick of things. You should see all the B.S. we put up with. Even the local 'community rag' is pretentious, but then again, which ones aren't? I grew up there but I hightailed it out of the Capital and moved up the hills to Placerville, their nickname, 'Hangtown'. Yee haw.

I hate to put down my home city but for twenty years, they've wanted to be a world class city with 'culture'. Net result, we have the Sacramento Kings and whatever the WNBA team is called. It's just like strolling down the Champs-Élysées now.

[exDemMom]

Which is exactly what Rossi's device does. See Widom/Larson theory. The middle step is forcing an electron capture, turning the hydrogen proton into a low-energy neutron.

When you strip the electron from a hydrogen atom, what is left behind is a proton, not a neutron. This is a positively charged particle, and is subject to the Coulomb forces. To make a neutron involves removing the positive charge from the proton.

[exDemMom]

I have heard it described as a powder, but I have no idea if that originated with Rossi or with one of his minions.

I've seen it described as a powder, too. However, on one of the Rossi sites (either his site or one of the cheerleading sites), it had a picture of a small nickel rod that supposedly was used in the device. The rod was ~10 cm long by 0.5 cm diameter (hard to tell from a photo), and was slightly burned or corroded (to demonstrate that it had reacted, I guess).

[exDemMom]

By the way, we're still waiting for the isotopic analysis of Rossi's "fuel" and "ash" that Kullander promised by Christmas. It's a shame that the first bit of actual evidence that might have given Rossi some credibility is nowhere to be seen.

Patience, patience. It takes time to mix up a powder that has the correct proportion of ingredients to match what one would expect to obtain from a fusion reaction. It must be extra challenging for Rossi, given his lack of any physics or chemistry training.