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To: A_perfect_lady
A simple “we don’t know yet” is enough for rational people. Who on earth comes up with SOME BIG INVISIBLE MAGIC CREATURE DID IT! LET’S FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WANTS! I mean, seriously?

Reasonable people? While you yourself cannot account for rationality itself because your world view precludes the existence of abstract, universal invariants upon which reason depends?

Yes, seriously. The laws of logic are not material in nature - they do not extend into space. As universal, they are not experienced to be true. As invariant, they don't fit into what materialists like you tell us about the constantly changing nature of the universe. Since an atheist universe cannot account for the laws of logic in the first place, you have no rational basis for your prescriptive claims about abstract, universal, invariant laws or standards of thought upon which reason depends.

Since God is the necessary precondition for all logic, reasoning and morality, you have to hypocritically borrow from our world view to even try to begin to malign and caricature belief in God as being the result of childish superstition.

Get real.

Cordially,

54 posted on 12/30/2011 5:26:50 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond
The laws of logic are not material in nature - they do not extend into space.

That's okay; I don't hang out in deep space. I only need them to operate where there is oxygen.

As universal, they are not experienced to be true.

I have no idea what you mean by that. It's a jazzy-sounding sentence, but what does it mean? (Let me guess: they don't always give you the answer you wanted.)

As invariant, they don't fit into what materialists like you tell us about the constantly changing nature of the universe.

There is no failure of logic, there is only lack of information. Logic is like a mathematical equation: if you have too many variables, you can't come up with a one-answer solution. But again, that's a lack of information, not a flaw in the procedure.

Since an atheist universe cannot account for the laws of logic in the first place, you have no rational basis for your prescriptive claims about abstract, universal, invariant laws or standards of thought upon which reason depends. Since God is the necessary precondition for all logic, reasoning and morality...

Not really. It's a handy justification that allows the believer to refuse to elaborate or explore further, but that's merely drawing a line in the sand. Useful for stopping arguments, rather like a parent saying "Because I said so."

58 posted on 12/30/2011 6:18:14 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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