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To: A_perfect_lady; betty boop
"Children's logic is not something we should be holding up as a guide."

Don't be so hard on yourself.

".....if someone asks for evidence of God, we might say "truth," or "beauty," or "virtue." For a soul of sufficient purity and depth, this will be an adequate argument, especially once the implications are fully appreciated and worked out in an ontologically consistent manner. However, materialists, Darwinists, Lizards, and other metaphysical yahoos imagine that they can reject the whole of religion based upon a single argument taken out of context, just as a savage could reject the big bang based upon the obvious empirical evidence that refutes it.

"Do you see the dilemma? We get the occasional materialistic barbarian who demands "proof of God," but this is certainly no less difficult to provide than proof of the Big Bang to an eight year-old, which, even if you accept it, doesn't mean you actually understand it.

"Bear in mind that we are usually dealing with an unintelligent person who is demanding evidence that would satisfy his intellect. Now, this is something I could never do, as I have long since forgotten how to be so stupid.

"There is a translogical component to acceptance of any truth. We are not merely "logic machines." In other words, we must make a free act of assent to truth, and this cannot be reduced to the principles of logic. For example, there is no logical proof that one should abide by logic. What if I want to live a life a life guided by absolute spontaneity and transgression of logic, like people who live in San Francisco?

104 posted on 12/30/2011 10:50:28 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI

Georege Costanza tried it, and it worked for a while ... then Kramer’s logic shattered the ‘do the opposite’ routine.


105 posted on 12/30/2011 10:56:21 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Matchett-PI

I don’t demand evidence of God. I don’t need to: I can see at a glance that it’s a wish-fulfillment device that allows people to build an alternate universe of their choosing, one where evil is some day punished, where good is some day rewarded... I understand perfectly well WHY people choose escapism. All around me, people are escaping into a world more to their liking. Maybe they use drugs, maybe they create an avatar and live in Sims world, maybe they enter the World of Warcraft or Dungeons & Dragons. Maybe they dream of Heaven. I understand it perfectly. I just don’t do it. Anymore.


107 posted on 12/30/2011 10:59:43 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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