[Tatze]

It is unfortunate that the birth certificate issue has clouded this one: we really couldn't care less about whether Barry Jr. was born in the U.S.: he's not eligible because he's never been a citizen (natural born or otherwise) of the United States of America.

Thats not true. The birth certificate should never have been the issue because the fact that his father was not a US Citizen is all that is needed to show he was not a Natural Born Citizen. If born in Hawaii though, which I personally have no issues with, he is merely a native born citizen, but not natural born.

If anything, the birth certificate proved that he was ineligible because it establishes who is father was, a known and accepted non-citizen.

[alancarp]

Yeah, that was my point. The B.C. was effectively irrelevant — the “natural born” point was ignored.