Multiple News Developments on E-Cat, LENR

Independent ECat News ^ | November 25-26 , 2011 | Various

[Kevmo]

http://www.ecatnews.net/

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

[Kevmo]

http://www.ecatnews.net/

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

[Johnny B.]

Reasons to doubt Rossi

Technical

• Still no independent confirmation that the E-Cat does anything at all from any known company, university or other credible organization.
  
• Still no demonstration that clearly demonstrates that the E-Cat is actually generating excess heat. Rossi has received suggestions from fans and critics alike in ways to show that his E-Cat actually works. He has refused to use any of the suggestions (except for the one test mentioned in the next item).
  
• In the one test that supposedly was set up specifically for the purpose of "answering the critics" (the 18-hour test in February 2011), Rossi did not allow any outside observers to attend that test, and he failed to release a report with any data from that test.
• Rossi claims to be able to "enhance" specific isotopes of Nickel in order to prepare the "fuel" for his E-Cat. He is claiming that a six-month supply of this fuel (100 grams) would cost between $10 and $20. The ability to "enhance' (enrich) specific isotopes, without major industrial processes, in kilogram quantities and for pennies a gram, would be worth far more than the E-Cat. The medical applications alone would be worth billions. Why isn't Rossi doing anything with this technology?
• Rossi had samples of the "fuel" and "ash" (before and after versions of the Nickel mixture he claims to have used in his E-Cat) analyzed by a Swedish lab. Rossi has not released the actual report, but the investigators have publicly stated that the before sample was almost pure Nickel, and that the after sample contained 10% Copper and 11% Iron. They have also reported that the isotope ratios of both the Nickel and Copper do not show any deviations from their natural occurrence. They are careful to avoid making any conclusions beyond what the data shows, but they do state, "However, it’s remarkable that nickel-58 and hydrogen can form copper-63 (70%) and copper-65 (30%)" and "It’s then somewhat strange that the isotopic composition doesn’t differ from the natural."
• Based on Rossi's claim that he alters the isotopic composition of the Nickel prior to using it as a "fuel", and the analysis that shows only natural composition are in direct contradiction. Also, the claim that the Copper and Iron in the "after" sample doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If any specific isotope of Nickel had been transmuted into Copper or Iron, the isotopic composition would not match the natural ratios found in the test.
• No one has put forward a theory to explain how one converts up to 30% of the Nickel (as stated by Rossi) into Copper and/or Iron without changing the natural isotopic ratios of any of the elements involved.
• Based on the several items above, Rossi's claims about transmutation are not consistent with the available evidence. The evidence, however, is consistent with simply mixing together ordinary Nickel, Copper and Iron powders in the correct ratio, using nothing more sophisticated than a kitchen scale.
  

Business

• Rossi claims that a "secret company" bought his 1MW E-Cat, and that their representative was an engineer and former Colonel in NATO named Domenico Fioravanti. Interestingly, in spite of the phenomenal interest in this story, no one has been able to show any evidence of this person existing prior to the day of Rossi's big demonstration (October 28, 2011). It's hard to believe that a Colonel in NATO who is also an engineer with "30 years experience in thermodynamics" would leave absolutely no trace anywhere on the Internet. (I would welcome any evidence of Domenico Fioravanti's existence!)
• Rossi has a considerable criminal record for fraud. [LINK]
  
• Rossi seems to be going out of his way to team up with questionable business partners. Sterling D. Allan seems to have fallen for every energy scam for the last decade. He is also the primary source for much of the news about Rossi and the E-Cat (including much that is questionable or flat out wrong).

[Lx]

Huggy Bear isn't too happy to see you pimpin...

[preacher]

In a similar vein here's the Entabulator

[dinodino]

I see you haven’t removed numbers 7 and 8 in your cut-and-paste, even after other posters have shown you the proof that these are not arm’s-length transactions.

Yet again, Kevmo refuses to let the truth get in the way of his cheer leading.

[Lx]

How dare you let those pesky facts get in the way of a Rossi love fest?

Compare this:

Open Letter To Us Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

To:

People of the World:

IT IS DONE!

Today, the Newman Motor/Generator weighing 7,500-lbs showed 11,400% EFFICIENCY!

At first, the one thing Rossi had going for him was that he didn't sound like free energy quack, Joseph Newman. I should have know just to give him time. I'm sure the appeals to G_d are coming soon...

Is he one step away from asking for my tax money? OK then, this can't possibly be a scam???

Newman has kept his scam going since the '80s, let's see how long Rossi goes for...

[Kevmo]

Reasons to doubt Rossi
***There are plenty. That’s why I focus on the people who have investigated this and what their conclusions were. Guys like Levi, Kullander, etc. There are not so many reasons to doubt them.

[Crazieman]

Yup, secret is out. BS meter broke from overuse

[Lx]

I love it, it sounds more real than the B.S. the rah rah Rossi supporters produce.

Where can I get one, the Entabulator that is?

[Moonman62]

Mr. Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of the United States. I have an urgent message for you that will affect the future of our country and the rest of the world. First, let me thank you for the hard work you do fighting organized crime.

Eric Holder supplies weapons for organized crime.

More evidence that Rossi has a screw loose.

[Kevmo]

It’s a quote. I’ll keep it a full quote for now.

Is that all you can tear apart, points 7 and 8? All that conspiracy theorizing doesn’t get you much.

For the time being, you have a way to bump these threads with something other than “it’s a fraud! Squawk!”

[Moonman62]

Rossi responded to NASA on July 22 and told them that they could test his device if they paid him $15 million.

I can't believe NASA didn't pay Rossi $15 million to test his rusty pot boiler.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Moonman62]

Guys like Levi, Kullander, etc. There are not so many reasons to doubt them.

Levi was listed as an employee of Rossi's company by Sterling Allan.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Johnny B.]

I notice that one thing obvious nutjob Joseph Newman has going for him is the high-ranking NASA scientist Robert E. Smith.

"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."

--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA

I did a quick check just to make sure and there is, indeed, a high-ranking scientist from NASA with that name:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19830010545_1983010545.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19830019790_1983019790.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940031668_1994031668.pdf

So, I guess we should believe Joseph Newman as well.

[Kevmo]

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Crazieman]

Obviously its a conspiracy of Rossi’s twenty-year record of fraud and falsification.

Rossi has the scam artist flowchart mounted above his bed, complete with checkmarks.

[Lx]

Are you really that afraid of Moonman62?

Did you like take a lot of steroids and now a pair of some vital equipment isn't functioning?

Well, it didn't stop Arnold. I give you credit for posting even with your handicap.