Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat

Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
admin on November 23, 2011 — 6 Comments

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The following was posted on the Facebook Energy Catalyzer page. It comes from Hampus Ericsson who attended Sven Kullander’s Örebro talk today. Kullander has been a key player in gaining Rossi credibility in the past few months. Taken in the sweep, it appears to me that he believes in Rossi and his claims but reserves the right to be wrong until definitive independent tests drive the nail home. His comment about AR’s prickly response to anyone who distrusts him is interesting. This flies counter to his public stance on genuine scepticism. No scientist should work completely on trust. No scientist will truly trust him/herself. Perhaps the comment relates to personal attacks on his integrity. That I would understand. He is right to be angry at those type of attacks.

I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.

Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.

Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .

He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.

Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.

He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.

Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.

One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.

He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.

Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste

[With thanks to Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]

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More On The Sven Kullander eCat Talk
admin on November 24, 2011 — 11 Comments

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The pedigree of Sven Kullander and Hanno Essen is interesting. From Wikipedia:
Professor Kullander is professor emeritus of High Energy Physics at Uppsala University. Kullander received his doctorate from Uppsala University in 1971. Since 1990, Kullander has been a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and chairman of its Energy Committee
Hanno Essén is an associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Their role in the Andrea Rossi affair began when they expressed an interest in the eCat and then attended a Bologna demo. During that demo, the eCat seemed to produce around 5kW of heat from a small sealed vessel (50 ccm) containing Hydrogen and Nickel. They were allowed to check for hidden conduits and examine the instruments and various elements of the system. They were not allowed access to the core but since it was small and the claimed energy large, it was reasonable to treat the device as a black box to determine its utility.

In many of the arguments posed by reasonable and unreasonable sceptics alike, doubt is often cast on those attending these events. Various inventions are created to explain why otherwise intelligent people could be so stupid as to fall for Rossi’s tricks. Senility, stupidity, human error, dishonesty, fraud and gullibility are all wheeled out in turn. If you have been there and leave believing the claim might be real, there has to be something wrong – you are either in on the scam or too dumb to see it.

No one can accuse Kullander or Essen of not being independent. How often have we heard that a scammer would never let an independent and qualified scientist near their scamming machine? And yet, here we have two physicists, both active and experienced, one the chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ (of Nobel fame) Energy Committee and the other the former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics’ Society and both allowed dangerous and intimate access to a working eCat.

Both scientists are well aware that what they saw and measured does not constitute proof and neither can say with certainty that Rossi’s claims are true. They would be foolish to do so. Indeed both admit that they could not check everything and although they do not suspect fraud, they have to leave that door open as a small possibility.

They published a travel report detailing the demo and results and expressing their belief that (assuming no fraud) the eCat was producing so much energy that it had to be nuclear in origin.

For many months, both scientists remained out of the light and some hard sceptics wondered if they were distancing themselves from Rossi and that report – now embarrassed that they had ever been involved. However, recently Kullander has begun to publicly reveal his current thinking and yesterday gave a talk (Swedish) to an audience in Örebro. Today, Ny Teknik, the Swedish magazine responsible for extensive reporting throughout the year has published a pdf of that talk. Together with an audio recording by a member of the audience (again, in Swedish) and a variety of interpretations from around the Net, we begin to get a good idea of Kullander’s current view of Rossi and the eCat. It is nuanced and intelligent and does not conform to that expected of the term ‘Believer’.

To be fair, I doubt a reasonable sceptic would place that moniker on him as the scientist clearly leaves room for his conclusions to be wrong. That said, most of us have read others who are less supportive than Kullander being labeled as a believer as though the tag could colour you gullible.

The following has been Googleized from a report by Bertil Nilsson on a Swedish forum discussing Kullander’s talk (here is the audio):
Biggest “scoop” is well that, according to Rossi, it works without a catalyst. It can be measured net energy even with only nickel and hydrogen. He says that as a reason why his patent to go through. But it opens the course for the reproduction of this, we have many who can kalimoetri precision now after all the thinking.

Kullander is deeply skeptical of the proton capture of nickel, believes that there are other possibilities. He outlined a number of them, but I must return later. I can not enough to sum up the piece. He was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas
Kullander told further about their personal experiences of a large number of people at the University of Bologna has been more or less concerned about the ECAT, the most active of course Focardi and Levi. He feels these people knowledgeable and up to serious, from the president down. Kullander feel even Rossi as sincere and serious and a very knowledgeable and skilled engineer but somewhat discursive reasoning when entering the field of physics. He also talked about discussions he had with Levi for a large number of tests that are not described but conducted by Levi, who personally knows the ECAT works.

Kullander believes that Rossi for their own sake must be sure to get an independent verification of heat output and that he was not to be overtaken should ally itself with some great players, like Siemens or ABB. One problem here may be that Rossi has a deep personal relationship with their cats, as he usually describe them. Kullander has offered Rossi to test and verify an ECAT in Uppsala in collaboration with the University of Bologna. Discussions on this are ongoing. Kullander preclude an agreement whereby secrecy around that they have an ECAT in place or that the results may not be shown publicly.

The above is in addition to yesterday’s report which I repeat here:
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.

Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.

Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .

He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.

Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.

He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.

Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.

One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.

He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.

Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste.

[With thanks to Tom in the eCatNews.com comments section and Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]

Yes, yes, I’m familiar with the two experiments showing neutrinos possibly traveling faster than light. Those are different particles, and tachyons remain purely hypothetical particles which could only exist in some physical models.

Do you actually think about these things, or do words just stick in your brain and you regurgitate them at will and regardless of context or understanding on your part?

Johnny B. ~ You posted a reference that leads directly to George Bush and Barack Obama.

And I do what?

No, George Bush is not involved in any scam you've come up with, but when you drag Leonardo Technologies and their principle officers into your scenario, that's what happens to your ideas.

It would help if you could prove that you are dealing with the same "Andrea Rossi" from piece to piece ~ I found 71 of these guys in just the United States. One can only imagine how many of them live in Argentina AND Italy!

You said #23 before. Yes, I’ve skimmed through the Army report for Rossi’s OTHER scam generator failure, but I just opened it again and still find no mention of Bush or Obama.

You. Making it up. From whole cloth.

LTI is part of a grand conspiracy by George Bush and Barack Obama to rip everybody off

I'm sure that WorldCon and Enron had respectable businessmen on their board of directors. That didn't prevent them from being scams.

Regardless of your theory that, apparently, everyone in Italy is corrupt except Andrea Rossi, the facts are clear. Rossi has a long history of being involved in money laundering and tax fraud, in a variety of scams.

If you want to spend the time to put together any actual evidence that Rossi was a victim of a decade-long series of persecutions by the Italian government, I'll be happy to review it.

But simply waving your arms around, saying that everyone except Rossi is wrong and crooked, only makes you look foolish.

My God, you are certifiably insane! The original article was about SETI. Here is my comment:

Yeah, I agree. I used to think that intelligent life was common but now I think it’s extremely unlikely that there’s anyone else out there right now, especially within our local neighborhood in the galaxy.

Nowhere did the article describe tachyons, nor was the article about FTL travel.

There's something wrong with your brain, my friend.

Hmm ~ respectable businessmen "on their board", but what about as CEO, as is indicated here.

We've gone over the ENRON scam earlier ~ which was actually about selling bad debt to investors trying to park money in the Bahamas. The stock collapse didn't happen until much later by which time there were insufficient assets to continue the deal.

AEI is the ENRON successor.

I believe some of the arguments used to paint Rossi as a scam artist actually pop up AEI!!!

I pointed that out to you folks just the other day so why didn't you run with it? After all, one of the principals in AEI is a close associate of ROSSI.

Good grief, I hand this stuff off to you people doing little more than taking your own references just a couple of steps further down the line and you reject those ideas out of hand.

Here's the secret ~ if you link a piece too far in your scam you can usually find out if you are dealing with a scam, or possibly misidentification.

It would help if you could prove that you are dealing with the same "Andrea Rossi" from piece to piece ~ I found 71 of these guys in just the United States. One can only imagine how many of them live in Argentina AND Italy!

You obviously aren't paying any attention to the actual information.

Rossi owned Petrol Dragon. He admits that himself. He was convicted. He admits that. The only discrepancy is that Rossi claims to be an innocent victim. Of course, almost every convicted criminal claims to be an innocent victim.

I've provided numerous newspaper articles showing that Rossi was engaged in financial fraud, and that his claims of converting waste into old were lies.

In every one of those newspaper articles, it is clear that the "Andrea Rossi" that committed fraud while faking the shipment of gold, and the "Andrea Rossi" that committed financial fraud while gutting a business prior letting it fall into bankruptcy is the same "Andrea Rossi" that owned Petrol Dragon.

By the way, there are at least three other "Andrea Rossi's" in the news during that time. One was a soccer player, one was an actor, and one was a murder suspect. I excluded any stories about those other "Andrea Rossi's".

Nice try at confusing the issue.

http://www.peekyou.com/andrea_rossi has 264 of these guys. Linkedin has 25 of these guys in ROME alone.

It's not only EASY to make mistakes when dealing with this name, it's exceedingly probable.

You really need to always make sure you are dealing with the right Rossi AND, when it comes to Leonardo Technologies, which has been involved in FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY and apparently CO2 sequestration, you gotta' watch out which one you are dealing with ~ I think you guys have been working with more than one company here, or George Bush and Obama are definitely involved!

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