Posted on 11/24/2011 10:44:11 AM PST by Kevmo
Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
admin on November 23, 2011 — 6 Comments
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1409
The following was posted on the Facebook Energy Catalyzer page. It comes from Hampus Ericsson who attended Sven Kullander’s Örebro talk today. Kullander has been a key player in gaining Rossi credibility in the past few months. Taken in the sweep, it appears to me that he believes in Rossi and his claims but reserves the right to be wrong until definitive independent tests drive the nail home. His comment about AR’s prickly response to anyone who distrusts him is interesting. This flies counter to his public stance on genuine scepticism. No scientist should work completely on trust. No scientist will truly trust him/herself. Perhaps the comment relates to personal attacks on his integrity. That I would understand. He is right to be angry at those type of attacks.
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.
Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.
Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .
He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.
Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.
He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.
Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.
One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.
He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.
Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste
[With thanks to Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]
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More On The Sven Kullander eCat Talk
admin on November 24, 2011 — 11 Comments
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The pedigree of Sven Kullander and Hanno Essen is interesting. From Wikipedia:
Professor Kullander is professor emeritus of High Energy Physics at Uppsala University. Kullander received his doctorate from Uppsala University in 1971. Since 1990, Kullander has been a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and chairman of its Energy Committee
Hanno Essén is an associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Their role in the Andrea Rossi affair began when they expressed an interest in the eCat and then attended a Bologna demo. During that demo, the eCat seemed to produce around 5kW of heat from a small sealed vessel (50 ccm) containing Hydrogen and Nickel. They were allowed to check for hidden conduits and examine the instruments and various elements of the system. They were not allowed access to the core but since it was small and the claimed energy large, it was reasonable to treat the device as a black box to determine its utility.
In many of the arguments posed by reasonable and unreasonable sceptics alike, doubt is often cast on those attending these events. Various inventions are created to explain why otherwise intelligent people could be so stupid as to fall for Rossi’s tricks. Senility, stupidity, human error, dishonesty, fraud and gullibility are all wheeled out in turn. If you have been there and leave believing the claim might be real, there has to be something wrong – you are either in on the scam or too dumb to see it.
No one can accuse Kullander or Essen of not being independent. How often have we heard that a scammer would never let an independent and qualified scientist near their scamming machine? And yet, here we have two physicists, both active and experienced, one the chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ (of Nobel fame) Energy Committee and the other the former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics’ Society and both allowed dangerous and intimate access to a working eCat.
Both scientists are well aware that what they saw and measured does not constitute proof and neither can say with certainty that Rossi’s claims are true. They would be foolish to do so. Indeed both admit that they could not check everything and although they do not suspect fraud, they have to leave that door open as a small possibility.
They published a travel report detailing the demo and results and expressing their belief that (assuming no fraud) the eCat was producing so much energy that it had to be nuclear in origin.
For many months, both scientists remained out of the light and some hard sceptics wondered if they were distancing themselves from Rossi and that report – now embarrassed that they had ever been involved. However, recently Kullander has begun to publicly reveal his current thinking and yesterday gave a talk (Swedish) to an audience in Örebro. Today, Ny Teknik, the Swedish magazine responsible for extensive reporting throughout the year has published a pdf of that talk. Together with an audio recording by a member of the audience (again, in Swedish) and a variety of interpretations from around the Net, we begin to get a good idea of Kullander’s current view of Rossi and the eCat. It is nuanced and intelligent and does not conform to that expected of the term ‘Believer’.
To be fair, I doubt a reasonable sceptic would place that moniker on him as the scientist clearly leaves room for his conclusions to be wrong. That said, most of us have read others who are less supportive than Kullander being labeled as a believer as though the tag could colour you gullible.
The following has been Googleized from a report by Bertil Nilsson on a Swedish forum discussing Kullander’s talk (here is the audio):
Biggest “scoop” is well that, according to Rossi, it works without a catalyst. It can be measured net energy even with only nickel and hydrogen. He says that as a reason why his patent to go through. But it opens the course for the reproduction of this, we have many who can kalimoetri precision now after all the thinking.
Kullander is deeply skeptical of the proton capture of nickel, believes that there are other possibilities. He outlined a number of them, but I must return later. I can not enough to sum up the piece. He was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas
Kullander told further about their personal experiences of a large number of people at the University of Bologna has been more or less concerned about the ECAT, the most active of course Focardi and Levi. He feels these people knowledgeable and up to serious, from the president down. Kullander feel even Rossi as sincere and serious and a very knowledgeable and skilled engineer but somewhat discursive reasoning when entering the field of physics. He also talked about discussions he had with Levi for a large number of tests that are not described but conducted by Levi, who personally knows the ECAT works.
Kullander believes that Rossi for their own sake must be sure to get an independent verification of heat output and that he was not to be overtaken should ally itself with some great players, like Siemens or ABB. One problem here may be that Rossi has a deep personal relationship with their cats, as he usually describe them. Kullander has offered Rossi to test and verify an ECAT in Uppsala in collaboration with the University of Bologna. Discussions on this are ongoing. Kullander preclude an agreement whereby secrecy around that they have an ECAT in place or that the results may not be shown publicly.
The above is in addition to yesterday’s report which I repeat here:
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.
Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.
Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .
He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.
Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.
He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.
Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.
One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.
He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.
Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste.
[With thanks to Tom in the eCatNews.com comments section and Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/latest-doe-loan-guarantee-a123-battery-project-for-grid-storage/ HERE’S A SCAM ~ from just this last summer. These loan guarantees were going straight into the pockets of the scammers. The box and racks they show for mounting those batteries in modular units are exactly the same standard box and racks Rossi uses ~ even the battery plate systems (iron hydride with lithium somewhere in the annode side I believe) are the same except I don’t think Rossi uses the battery packs as batteries ~ just as a quick and dirty way to get an awful lot of hot electrons formerly part of hydrogen atoms. These packs work with proton holes (sucking down negative charge) like nobody’s business for quick release as needed on a power net. except for the plumbing to “burn” NI Rossi’s equipment, and its primary technology, is a commonly available 1 MW battery pack.
That's what your posts always remind me of, spewing a bunch of scienc-y sounding words to describe something?
Are you sure the mob's not involved here? I pinged dinodino so he knows we're on to him...
Johnny B.'s original link:
waste oil from? useless and toxic!
This one is important.
A member of the Rossi Amen Chorus was saying he was selling 20 tons of fuel oil a day when it looks like he produced exactly nothing.
Impressive research.
Which raises the question of whether Sven Kullander is a fraud.
A member of the Rossi Amen Chorus was saying he was selling 20 tons of fuel oil a day when it looks like he produced exactly nothing.Right. I was very surprised just how damning this information was.
Remember, Rossi also got tax money from us for producing non-functioning "ThermoElectric power generators" for the Army. [LINK]
In fact, it seems he has a significant history of making money from bogus inventions, along with his significant history of racketeering.
Tachyons always travel FTL ~ I don't think we know that as yet regarding the particular type of neutrino ~ maybe you do.
Still, it's close isn't it.
Does "neutrino" sound "scienc-y" to you?
http://www.netl.doe.gov/business/solicitations/2001pdf/41428/ATTENDEE.PDF your link led to another Leonardo link, and you end up with Robert Gentile. This is at a Clean Coal Power Initiative in January 2002. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=18065#axzz1eiUfJdIg shows that George Bush nominated him to be an Assistant Secretary of Energy in 1990. http://www.lti-global.com/ (which takes us back into the heart of LTI) shows their boys at a CO2 sequestration seminar sponsored by the Obama DOE ~ and this little doozy has in it a reference to an EPA initiative that is currently shutting down dozens of coal fired power plants in the Midwest (and is it’s own scandal). So, if I understand you guys correctly, LTI is part of a grand conspiracy by George Bush and Barack Obama to rip everybody off ~~~~~~~~~~ I’m all ears ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ‘splain?!
muawiyah, tachyons don’t exist. They are from the show Star Trek. In the real world, they are merely a hypothetical particle and have never been detected in experiments.
They have some powers IRS has ~ plus they wear uniforms and carry automatic firearms.
Because of the proclivity of people to lie on their tax declarations Italy has created this body to COLLECT TAXES one way or the other.
They get to lie in court ~ when the objective is to make someone pay. THeir favorite trick is to spy on people and then create arguments concerning where they got their money.
This is Italy, not a normal country!
Yeah youse guys bettah be careful, especially with all those hot electrons and proton donut holes.
Well, what can we say about the intention of people who use Guardia di Finanza filings to justify their beliefs.
None of that means Rossi is honest, but it does demonstrate you have some real problems you should tend to quickly lest you be snatched away or something.
Oh yeah? What color is it?
Don't you read each other's stuff?
No, I didn’t read it because Petroldragon was a scam and Rossi was convicted for it—what else do I need to know? FYI, I just read the link in Post 23 and I don’t see the names Bush or Obama anywhere. It would be a neat trick if Obama was involved, considering the dates of Petroldragon.
Also, what’s with the “persona” comments?
BTW, Star Trek was released in 1966. Earlier in that decade a number of scientists had begun discussing tachyons as theoretical particles. Later on they began showing up as possible constructs inside newer theories that attempt to combine quantum physics and relativity.
This is all publicly available information so you should already be on top of it.
Regarding further "futuristic" entertainment shows string theory didn't arrive, even in part, until the end of the 1960s (the Bosonic String Theory).
So, here's your continuum ~ "tachyons, Star Trek, string theory) ~ in that order. Although you might argue that Star Trek somehow influenced string theory, you would be wrong to argue that Star Trek influenced tachyon theory ~ unless you want to jump into the time travel business.
Also, what’s with the “persona” comments?muawiyah is really good at hijacking threads to insert his own wacky theories. For example, he thinks that, somehow, Rossi's "invention" proves that the North Koreans have some sort of super bomb with the power of a nuclear bomb, but no radiation or fallout.
It's fun to read his rants, but debating him is a waste of time.
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